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Mike Ruppert Responds to Alternet/The Nation
Alternet & the Nation continue their flagrant liberal takeover of independent media ... and Mike Ruppert comes back swinging.
[reposter note: the article in question can be found here: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12536 ... and yes, thats right, they cant even spell "conspiracy" right ... spelled "Consipracy" ... ]
Dear Mr. Corn:
I read with great amusement your ill-supported attack on my work and was surprised that, for a man of your supposed intellectual prowess, you had such a blatant disregard for facts that you so incorrectly reported. Please refer to the underlined passages of your missive below and I will show you just where you have erred.
Your criticisms focus on the case of Delmert “Mike” Vreeland, a US Navy intelligence officer imprisoned in Canada who, by admission -- in court -- of Canadian authorities, wrote an accurate warning of the September 11th attacks. That warning, which is now an official part of the court record in Canada, was placed into the sole custody of Canadian jailers on either August 11 or 12th, a month before the attacks. A copy of it (obtained directly from court records) is available on my web site at: http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/
01_28_02_vreeland.jpg. The stamp admitting the document into evidence is clearly visible in the upper right hand corner of the document. Therefore the document itself is a bona fide source. During Vreeland’s extradition hearings Canadian authorities have acknowledged, under oath, that they had sole possession of the sealed letter for one month prior to the attacks.
All of this was accurately reported by me in a From The Wilderness story dated January 25th and available on my web site at http://www.copvcia.com. Either you did not have the thoroughness to read the story or your investigative abilities are severely impaired. But then you state only that the CIA has used drug dealers and avoid the full (and well documented) truth that they have dealt drugs directly for decades. I will be happy to debate you on this one too, but I doubt if you’ll accept the challenge.
In addition, you attempt to discredit Vreeland by innuendo. You state that he is in jail on fraud charges. True enough, but did you also mention the fact that it was his own credit card? For a man such as yourself, with such great expertise on the CIA, who was Ted Shackley’s chosen biographer (that should be enough to discredit you right there), I am surprised that you did not recall that during Iran-Contra a number of well documented intelligence sources were controlled by their respective agencies through the use of criminal charges connected to their areas of expertise. Vreeland had a per diem of $19,000; ergo he was controlled through a fraud charge. Similar victims during Iran-Contra included Scott Weekly (weapons), Steve Carr (drugs), Jack Terrell (weapons), Bo Gritz (passport), Scott Barnes (fraud) and Al Martin (fraud). There are others. While many of these men, to this day, have questionable reputations, it is beyond doubt, as established by official records, that they were intelligence operatives.
In addition, I have hired a Toronto correspondent who sits in on every court date as “Mike” Vreeland fights extradition to the US and certain death. I am traveling (again) to Toronto next week to meet both with Vreeland and his attorneys. It will not be the first time that I have been there or sat in on his court proceedings. Oh, yes, and you also forgot to mention that, in a call placed on a speaker phone from open court, a Pentagon operator confirmed Vreeland’s Rank and office assignment at the Pentagon, This is a part of the court record too.
No, the Toronto Star did not confirm Vreeland’s story. The Canadian court system did. And the fact that he wrote a warning of the 9-11 attacks a month before they happened and that it was sealed away from his access by his jailers who admit that no one else had custody is a shameful and incriminating fact that not even your sophistry can gloss over. Rational people will want to know how this man knew of the attacks and why the US government and The Nation are trying so hard to kill this story.
No, you will not get $1,000 from me. The facts are good. The story is good. My analysis is good and it is left for The Nation’s readers to wonder whose interests you really serve. Your feeble attack reminds of a quote from Gandhi, “First they ignore you. Then they attack you. Then you win.”
Let’s see if The Nation will have the integrity to print my letter.
Michael C. Ruppert
Publisher/Editor
“From The Wilderness”
http://www.copvcia.com
Dear Mr. Corn:
I read with great amusement your ill-supported attack on my work and was surprised that, for a man of your supposed intellectual prowess, you had such a blatant disregard for facts that you so incorrectly reported. Please refer to the underlined passages of your missive below and I will show you just where you have erred.
Your criticisms focus on the case of Delmert “Mike” Vreeland, a US Navy intelligence officer imprisoned in Canada who, by admission -- in court -- of Canadian authorities, wrote an accurate warning of the September 11th attacks. That warning, which is now an official part of the court record in Canada, was placed into the sole custody of Canadian jailers on either August 11 or 12th, a month before the attacks. A copy of it (obtained directly from court records) is available on my web site at: http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/
01_28_02_vreeland.jpg. The stamp admitting the document into evidence is clearly visible in the upper right hand corner of the document. Therefore the document itself is a bona fide source. During Vreeland’s extradition hearings Canadian authorities have acknowledged, under oath, that they had sole possession of the sealed letter for one month prior to the attacks.
All of this was accurately reported by me in a From The Wilderness story dated January 25th and available on my web site at http://www.copvcia.com. Either you did not have the thoroughness to read the story or your investigative abilities are severely impaired. But then you state only that the CIA has used drug dealers and avoid the full (and well documented) truth that they have dealt drugs directly for decades. I will be happy to debate you on this one too, but I doubt if you’ll accept the challenge.
In addition, you attempt to discredit Vreeland by innuendo. You state that he is in jail on fraud charges. True enough, but did you also mention the fact that it was his own credit card? For a man such as yourself, with such great expertise on the CIA, who was Ted Shackley’s chosen biographer (that should be enough to discredit you right there), I am surprised that you did not recall that during Iran-Contra a number of well documented intelligence sources were controlled by their respective agencies through the use of criminal charges connected to their areas of expertise. Vreeland had a per diem of $19,000; ergo he was controlled through a fraud charge. Similar victims during Iran-Contra included Scott Weekly (weapons), Steve Carr (drugs), Jack Terrell (weapons), Bo Gritz (passport), Scott Barnes (fraud) and Al Martin (fraud). There are others. While many of these men, to this day, have questionable reputations, it is beyond doubt, as established by official records, that they were intelligence operatives.
In addition, I have hired a Toronto correspondent who sits in on every court date as “Mike” Vreeland fights extradition to the US and certain death. I am traveling (again) to Toronto next week to meet both with Vreeland and his attorneys. It will not be the first time that I have been there or sat in on his court proceedings. Oh, yes, and you also forgot to mention that, in a call placed on a speaker phone from open court, a Pentagon operator confirmed Vreeland’s Rank and office assignment at the Pentagon, This is a part of the court record too.
No, the Toronto Star did not confirm Vreeland’s story. The Canadian court system did. And the fact that he wrote a warning of the 9-11 attacks a month before they happened and that it was sealed away from his access by his jailers who admit that no one else had custody is a shameful and incriminating fact that not even your sophistry can gloss over. Rational people will want to know how this man knew of the attacks and why the US government and The Nation are trying so hard to kill this story.
No, you will not get $1,000 from me. The facts are good. The story is good. My analysis is good and it is left for The Nation’s readers to wonder whose interests you really serve. Your feeble attack reminds of a quote from Gandhi, “First they ignore you. Then they attack you. Then you win.”
Let’s see if The Nation will have the integrity to print my letter.
Michael C. Ruppert
Publisher/Editor
“From The Wilderness”
http://www.copvcia.com
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In the middle of the San Jose Mercury News/Gary Webb/LA Ricky Ross/CIA & Cocaine controversy, stepped Michael Ruppert waving documents and making claims.
Ruppert -
Did you or did you not make claims about drug dealing in Los Angeles, that you could not then back up with any direct evidence or proof?
In the end, it was you who stated, you had no first-hand knowledge of any cocaine trafficking by the Contras. It was you who said, said that you had never met Meneses, Blandon or Ricky Ross!
Now Ruppert has jumped on the 911 bandwagon.
It is hard enough to dig up real dirt, on Oil, on Heroin, on Carlyle Group, etc. We again have to waste time, countering this same crackpot.
There is nothing wrong with asking hard questions about 911, and doing the work it takes to find the answers. But , please, check your sources!
There is a very interesting article on ZNet about how fundamentally racist, these conspiracy theories are, in the end:
http://www.zmag.org/parecon/conspiracy.htm
In the middle of the San Jose Mercury News/Gary Webb/LA Ricky Ross/CIA & Cocaine controversy, stepped Michael Ruppert waving documents and making claims.
Ruppert -
Did you or did you not make claims about drug dealing in Los Angeles, that you could not then back up with any direct evidence or proof?
In the end, it was you who stated, you had no first-hand knowledge of any cocaine trafficking by the Contras. It was you who said, said that you had never met Meneses, Blandon or Ricky Ross!
Now Ruppert has jumped on the 911 bandwagon.
It is hard enough to dig up real dirt, on Oil, on Heroin, on Carlyle Group, etc. We again have to waste time, countering this same crackpot.
There is nothing wrong with asking hard questions about 911, and doing the work it takes to find the answers. But , please, check your sources!
There is a very interesting article on ZNet about how fundamentally racist, these conspiracy theories are, in the end:
http://www.zmag.org/parecon/conspiracy.htm
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/03/117429.php
and here you are again, showing us how very smart you are! :^) But I noticed that this post of yours... I've seen it before on the global newswire. I asked the individual who posted it some uncomfortable questions but they never bothered to answer. But you won't let me down, now will ya', buddy?
"In the middle of the San Jose Mercury News/Gary Webb/LA Ricky Ross/CIA & Cocaine controversy, stepped Michael Ruppert waving documents and making claims"
Which were?
"In the end, it was you who stated, you had no first-hand knowledge of any cocaine trafficking by the Contras. It was you who said, said that you had never met Meneses, Blandon or Ricky Ross!"
And it's you, Elephant Memory, who must be *itching* to show us evidence and a source for this claim. Come on EM, let's tear Rupert down. Me and you.
Oh, and alot of people out there don't know who Meneses, Blandon or Ricky Ross are. But you obviously do, so could you explain why they are so important. Gee, thanks.
"Now Ruppert has jumped on the 911 bandwagon.
It is hard enough to dig up real dirt, on Oil, on Heroin, on Carlyle Group, etc. We again have to waste time, countering this same crackpot."
You mean... you've countered him! *gasp* I haven't found one person who has had the guts to debate him or try to debunk his evidence (well, there was that rather enimic attempt by Corn. But as we can see above, it wasn't very successful). Well, why don't you share what you wrote in your nobel effort to counter this crackpot? Oh, I just can't wait to hear!
"There is nothing wrong with asking hard questions about 911, and doing the work it takes to find the answers. But , please, check your sources!"
Ah, so you've checked his sources. Then you can tell us what's wrong with them, can't you?
"There is a very interesting article on ZNet about how fundamentally racist, these conspiracy theories are, in the end:
http://www.zmag.org/parecon/conspiracy.htm"
Yes, I love the endless conjecture he uses to build a straw man. Excellent craft work.
"A rational Anarchist is the only true Anarchist"
In fact, I have evidence right here that The Nation planned the 9/11 attacks! That's right, David Corn, your sick plot has been revealed! It's all on my website:
thenationplannedthe9/11attacksthat'srightdavidcornyoursickplothasbeenrevealed.com
Has anyone ever seen Victor Navasky and bin laden in the same room? I think not! They both have beards! I just pulled this affidavit out of my ear!!! I dare you to print this letter, David Corn, HA HA HA HA HA HA H!!!!!!! YOU DON'T HAVE THE GUTS, DO YOU, DAVID CORN? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Nation is not "in on it" ... the Nation has friends who they want to keep friends, they have donors who they want to keep donors, and they have political connections which are worth more to them than the truth or revolutionary change. That's why the Nation is considered irrelevant except to middleclass idiots who need to be told what to think.
the 100,000 people who subscibe to it
the groups like z, etc. who depend on its mailing list for their survival
the high school and college students who read it and become exposed to left ideas for the first time
the poets and writers who thrive on its support
the pro-choicers who benefit from its aggressive advocacy of their cause,
the activists who use it to get updates on events
the progressive Jews and others who rely on it for intelligent critiques of Israel instead of mindless anti-semitic drivel from goons like Latuff
the scholars who use it as an outlet for unconvential views
EVERYONE in this country who benefits from the First Amendment, for which The Nation is such an aggressive and prominent partisan
I just want you to back up what your saying with some kind of evidence, because, even though I blindly believe every word you say, I want to see some evidence and sources (one of the "other witnesses"?) so I might be able to convince other people, who might not be as weak minded as me, that your so far baseless claims are true. I mean, they may actually even expect you to use the high standards you claim to use on Ruppert, for yourself. Can you believe that? We don't want them to see *you* come in hear claiming first hand knowledge of something, and then having to retract, now would we? I just don't want you to embarrass yourself. I mean you already seem to be harming your credibility by claiming I'm Ruppert, when you couldn't possibly know who I really am. If your that ready to claim things you don't even know, people might begin to doubt you the way you want them to doubt Ruppert.