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Police State

'Felony stop' leaves family traumatized
by repost
Sunday Jan 5th, 2003 2:13 AM
"The officer shot him, just blew his head off"
http://www.herald-citizen.com/NF/omf.wnm/herald/news_story.html?[rkey=0024251+[cr=gdn

Published January 02, 2003 11:54 AM CST

Mary Jo Denton Herald-Citizen Staff

It was the most traumatic experience the Smoak family of North Carolina has ever had, and it happened yesterday afternoon as they traveled through Cookeville on their way home from a vacation in Nashville.

Before their ordeal was over, three members of the family had been yanked out of their car and handcuffed on the side of Interstate 40 in downtown Cookeville, and their beloved dog, Patton, had been shot to death by a police officer as they watched.

What was their crime?

There was no crime.

But a passerby with a cell phone apparently assumed a crime had occurred when a wallet flew from a car on Interstate 40 near Nashville.

That citizen called police and inadvertently set in motion what would make it the most horrible vacation the James Smoak family of Saluda, North Carolina, has ever had.

Today, the Smoak children and their parents were still weeping over what happened to them in Cookeville.

By today, they had also filed complaints with two police agencies, prompting internal investigations, they had met with Tennessee Highway Patrol Capt. Randy Hoover, and they were on their way to talk to Cookeville Mayor Charles Womack.

Because official internal investigations are underway at the Tennessee Highway Patrol and at the Cookeville Police Dept., the Herald-Citizen was unable to get details of those two agencies' accounts of the incident.

But the Smoak family willingly told their story to anyone who would listen; they hope by doing so that something might be done to prevent it from happening to another family.

James Smoak, 38, who was traveling in the family station wagon with his wife, Pamela, their 17-year-old son, Brandon, and the family's two pet bulldogs, Patton and Cassie, had lost his wallet after stopping for gas as they left Davidson County on Wednesday afternoon.

But he didn't know he lost it. Apparently, he had placed it on top of the car while pumping gas, and it flew off somewhere on the highway a short time later.

Not knowing his wallet was lost, he and his family traveled on, heading east on their way home to North Carolina.

A few cars behind James and Pamela's station wagon, his parents and the two younger Smoak children were traveling in the elder Smoak's car.

Just a few miles east of Cookeville, James Smoak began to notice that a THP squad car was following him, though the officer was not pulling him over, just staying behind him, changing lanes any time Smoak did, moving in and out of traffic each time Smoak did.

"It was obvious he was looking at me, not at other vehicles, and I'm thinking I must have done something (in my driving), but I don't know what," Smoak said today.

When Smoak reached the 287 exit area in Cookeville, three other police cars suddenly appeared, and the trooper then turned on blue lights and pulled the Smoak car over.

"I immediately pulled to the side, and expecting him to come to the window, I started reaching for my wallet to get my license and it was not there," Smoak said.

About that time, he heard the officer broadcast orders over a bullhorn, telling him to toss the keys out the car window and get out with his hands up and walk backwards to the rear of the car.

Still not knowing what he was being stopped for, Smoak obeyed, and when he reached the back of the car, with a gun pointed at Smoak, the trooper ordered him to get on his knees, face the back of the car and put his head down.

When he did that, the officer handcuffed him and placed him in the patrol car. Then the same orders were blared over the bullhorn to "passenger" and Pamela Smoak got out with her hands up, was ordered to the ground, held at gunpoint, and handcuffed. Next, Brandon was ordered out and handcuffed in the same way.

Terrified at what was happening to them for no reason they knew, the family was also immediately concerned about their two pet dogs being left in the car there on the highway with the car doors open.

"We kept asking the officers -- there were several officers by now -- to close the car doors because of our dogs, but they didn't do it," said Pamela Smoak.

And as the officers worked in the late evening darkness, their weapons drawn as the Smoaks were being handcuffed, the dog Patton came out of the car and headed toward one of the Cookeville Police officers who was assisting the THP.

"That officer had a flashlight on his shotgun, and the dog was going toward that light and the officer shot him, just blew his head off," said Pamela Smoak.

"We had begged them to shut the car doors so our dogs wouldn't get out, and they didn't do that."

As the dog was heading out of the car toward the officer, "we had yelled, begging them to let us get him, but the officer shot him," she said.

Grieving for their dog and in shock over their apparent arrest for some unknown crime, the family could only wait. At one point, one state trooper did tell them they "matched the description" in a robbery that had occurred in Davidson County, Pamela Smoak said.

The ordeal went on for a time after that, the family terrified and in grief over the dog.

Finally, after a time, someone in authority figured out that the officers here had stopped and were holding the very family that someone in Davidson County had assumed had been robbed, though how that assumption grew to the authorization for a felony stop, James Smoak cannot understand, he said today.

"Finally, they asked me my name and I told them my name, date of birth, and other information, and they talked by radio to someone in Davidson County and finally realized that a mistake had been made," he said.

"A lady in Davidson County had seen that wallet fly off our car and had seen money coming out of it and going all over the road, and somehow that became a felony and they made a felony stop, but no robbery or felony had happened," Pamela Smoak said.

"Apparently, they had listened to some citizen with a cell phone and let her play detective down there," said James Smoak.

"Here we are just a family on vacation, and we had to suffer this."

When the officers did discover the mistake, "they said, 'Okay, we're releasing you and we're sorry,'" Smoak said.

As soon as Brandon was released from the handcuffs, he rushed over to the dead dog and began to cry, Smoak said.

And that's when one of the most infuriating parts of the ordeal happened, according to James Smoak.

"I saw one of the THP officers walk over to the city officer who had shot the dog and grin," he said.

He reported that to the supervising officer, THP Lt. Jerry Andrews, and Andrews "was very nice, very professional," Smoak said.

"He told me the officer was not laughing, but I know he was," said Smoak.

Smoak's parents had come along behind the other car and had seen all the commotion and stopped too, and now all three children were crying over their pet dog, as they were still doing today.

The Smoaks gathered the body of their pet and went to a motel here to spend the night. But they didn't get much rest, and at one point, James Smoak became so upset he had to go to the hospital for medical treatment.

They also worked throughout last night to contact all the authorities they could in order to lodge their complaints about what had happened.

Today, Beth Womack, a THP spokesperson in Nashville, told the H-C that an Internal Affairs investigation is underway and that every effort will be made to "find out exactly what happened and why."

"As I understand it, a report was made in Davidson County to our officers that this car had been seen leaving at a high rate of speed and that a significant amount of money had come out of the car and someone became suspicious," she said.

An internal investigation is also underway at the Cookeville Police Dept., Capt. Nathan Honeycutt told the H-C today.

James Smoak wonders about the logic of "a robber who would be tossing the money out of the car."

He also wonders about police procedure that would "take this insinuation from a citizen" and "turn it into what happened to us."

"Out there after they handcuffed us at gunpoint and put us in the police cars, they did not ask for ID, and later on, they actually released us just on my word about my identity, with only the confirmation by radio from an officer in Davidson County who was looking at my lost wallet and the ID in it down there," he said. "What if I actually had been a robber and not just a family man on vacation?"

His children hope they never come to Tennessee for another vacation.

"Poor Patton," said 13-year-old Jeb Smoak. "When he was killed out there, it was the first time I ever saw my brother, Brandon, cry. Brandon is the toughest person I've ever met, and he cried."

The other dog, a puppy named Cassie, was "trembling all over" after the ordeal, Jeb Smoak said.

"She's being real quiet today. She knows we're all grieving."

James Smoak, though still deeply upset today, said he understands that "the officer will say the dog was coming after him."

But it could all have been prevented, didn't have to happen, he is convinced.

In addition to telling his family's story to Capt. Randy Hoover, who "was very nice and very professional," and to a Cookeville Police official last night and to Mayor Womack today, Smoak also plans to tell his lawyer, he said.

"And I also want to tell it to the Tennessee Department of Tourism," he said.

Police Chief Bob Terry's statement
http://www.herald-citizen.com/NF/omf.wnm/herald/news_story.html?[rkey=0024266+[cr=gdn
They should do the right thing
by Don D
Sunday Jan 5th, 2003 4:34 PM
I certainly hope they immediately fire the officer that shot the dog and make the local police department reiumburse them for the dog and the trauma inflicted on this poor family by the police. This is why we need checks and balance in our society. It also shows how scary a place tennessee can be.
Mr
by Mozee Atupu
( mozeeatupu [at] yahoo.com ) Sunday Jan 5th, 2003 8:46 PM
Well what do you expect...This was Tennesee after all.
Mr.
by Ray Conrad
Sunday Jan 5th, 2003 9:43 PM
Unbelievable. This is why all southern states have the reputation of being run by red-necked yokels who would rather shoot first and ask questions later than go through proper procedure.

I most certainly will not be spending any of my dollars vacationing in the harrass-a-tourist state. Nashville be damned!
Mr.
by Jay Wigley
Sunday Jan 5th, 2003 11:36 PM
Please. If you think this couldn't happen in any state in the Union, you're sadly mistaken. There have been enough well-publicized police misconduct trials in just the past three years to establish that this could happen anywhere in the US.
Tennesee?
by Yankee
Sunday Jan 5th, 2003 11:49 PM
Isn't that where the cops shot the guy 54 times for pulling out his wallet to show them his ID?

No, wait, now I remember. That was New York.

What was that guy's name, anyway? Rodney something or other?

No wait, now I remember. That was California.
Mr.
by D Anderson
( danderson [at] djand.com ) Monday Jan 6th, 2003 2:27 AM
How is an innocent person supposed to respond in a situation like this story describes? They weren't asked for ID, told what they were stopped for or Marandized. Any time that you are stopped by a law officer, you are literally under arrest. Do they have to explain why? It seems that the outcome would have been far worse if they had hesitated or resisted in any way.

It would also seem that between a 911 call and the actual stop that someone made the decision that these were dangerous people. Whether that was the result of an overly excited citizen reporting or another officer making the decision, somebody screwed up and must be held accountable. Several apologies won't be enough to make sure that some fool dosen't get others killed in a similar situation.

It is probably common knowledge for law enforcment officers to know how to respond properly to a felony stop, but our average citizen will be bewildered and probably get into much trouble for questioning the reasons for being stopped.
Ms.
by Tara Curtis
Monday Jan 6th, 2003 8:22 AM
As a former Tennessean, I take exception to the obviously ignorant comment previously posted -- insinuating that "well, what do you expect -- this is Tennessee." This horrific crime could have happened ANYWHERE -- that's what so scary about this -- it's bad enough law enforcement are on high alert -- and to act on a purported cell phone caller's tip is beyond reprehensible. My heart breaks for this family and what they are going thru. I know no amount of money or judgments will give them back their peace of mind or bring their pet back to them -- but I hope any future judgment (via lawsuits, which I'm sure the family will file) will send a clear message to law enforcement to THINK first and not be so quick to REACT. Those rogues deserve to be put in jail for years to come..and the one officer who shot the dog should be forced to look at that puppy's picture for the remainder of his days.
Rev.
by Edward Wensell
( ewensell [at] hotmail.com ) Monday Jan 6th, 2003 2:31 PM
We are praying for that dear family. It is a dire shame the trauma they experienced. I hope they look toward God for comfort.

This is not an unusual experience as a Florida Police Department has financed projects such as new radios by confiscating large amounts of money from traveling folks. The Police have the right to do just that if the owners can not provide instant proof that the money is theirs. Even after they do obtain proof, they have a hard time getting it back if at all.

One story that occurred about six years ago was of an elderly couple that had sold their Northern residence for a good profit and were on their way to Florida to buy a retirement home. They were carrying the money with them (not smart, but their right?). They were pulled over by a local policeman and the money was confiscated. It took them about two years and legal fees to get it back. So, it can happen in places other than Tennessee.
Police Dog Shooting
by Beth
Monday Jan 6th, 2003 6:55 PM
Is the cop going to get away with shooting the dog? Or drawing a gun without necessity? I can't believe anyone could shoot a dog when its 1) their fault it got out of the car 2) from the sound of it not truly aggressive. Next it sounded like the actually were happy with shooting the animal. So in Tenessee they hire cops with no morals?
MR.
by John Stewart
Monday Jan 6th, 2003 7:42 PM
The officers involved should be prosecuted and put in jail. The town of Cookeville, the county and the state all owe this family damages. We have had the same problems in Collegedale. Low pay equals stupid officers.

If it had happened to me and mine, the officers involved would have to look over their shoulders for a very long time.
Mr
by Cal
Monday Jan 6th, 2003 9:02 PM
Cookeville Police Chief Bob Terry is less then the dog he supported in killing. This animal should be serving time along with this animal police force. And his statement makes it even worse. What a coward. Let me retract, animals are not the coward liar Cookeville Police Chief Bob Terry is. DO NOT VISIT TN. And protest this subhuman or the next head blown off will be us.
Mr.
by Sul Ross
( asdf727 [at] lycos.com ) Tuesday Jan 7th, 2003 1:20 AM
I guess i am going to be the first to come to the defense of the cops. I think the blame is being put in the wrong area by blaming police. What the cops were doing was performing a felony stop; it is a standard and very careful procedure to assure the safety of everyone. The officers are only given the information that dispatch provides them with and that probably indicated a very serious situation, although false in this case. Yes it means guns drawn. Cops get capped all the time, their work is dangerous, yes the are required to act quickly in some situations. I am sorry folks, but the attention needs to be on the people(supspects) at all times, i am sure there is not a whole lot of leeway for animals in the cars, unfortunately. Now whether the dog posed enough of a danger for the officer to shoot it, well thats up to the investigation.

In response to others comments, they werent under arrest, just detained for the officers safety at that time(I remind you, this is all part of procedure), which does not warrant a reading of Miranda rights. As far as a dog being shot, I hate to sound cold, but it is an animal, granted a family pet, but when it comes down to it, the dog is at the same level of a hamster or cat or anything, it is an animal. Not to say that it wasnt extremely sad for the family, and i do think they should be compensated for more than the price of the dog, their emotional stress as well, but this isnt a person being shot here, it is a dog. People rank above animals. Should we start prosecuting those out there who hit dogs on the street with their cars? Should the dog have been read his rights too?

I think the thing that needs to be questioned here is the chain of events that analyzed the call from the woman on the cell and sent field officers to stop the family. Unfortunately, some things went sour in this situation, poop happens sometimes. I dont think the family shouldnt be traumatized about being detained and forced to come out of the car, who wouldnt? I dont think they shouldnt be shocked and grieving for their beloved dog killed in front of them, who wouldnt? But life isnt always fun and games, unfortunately some bad things happened, which is life. We dont get monetary compensation for every bad thing in life that makes us unhappy.

I just hope you dont talk to the cops the way some of you have been commenting when they help you out.
Mr.
by Ron Castle
Tuesday Jan 7th, 2003 7:49 AM
Mr. Ross, I respectfully disagree with you. While you are correct that in life "poop happens," that does not mean that the THP are exempt from using a little brain-power before making such a stop. The THP were told by a citizen that a wallet came out of the car and money was dispersed all over the road. Since robberies or car-jackings tend not to include the perpetrator throwing money out the window and continuing on at normal highway speed, I think the THP should have reasoned that there was no need for a felony stop. Plus, the THP tailed the Smoak car before pulling them over. What could they have observed that made them still think a felony stop was in order? The two dogs licking the faces of the children in the back seat?? (Maybe this took place at night...) "Poop happens" is not an acceptable response for poor intelligence gathering/thinking skills and excessive force on the part of the police.
Retired Police Officer
by Tim Skinner
( skinnertm [at] aol.com ) Tuesday Jan 7th, 2003 11:10 AM
I have read all of the info I could find on this incident and came to the following conclusion.

Considering the information they had, proper police proceadure was followed as far as the stop was concerned.

The thing fell apart because no one took charge of the scene. It sounds like every one was acting from his own script. It was the State Trooper's stop, he should have taken charge.

When you consider that two large dogs were in the car it didn''t make sense to not close the doors.

The police officials on the scene were responsible for the Smoak property. It appears to me that they get a NO GO at that station. Someone is going to pay for this one.

Mr.
by Irving Glick
Tuesday Jan 7th, 2003 11:54 AM
This is unbelievable! They stop this FAMILY on a tip from received via cell phone . . .. .handcuff Mom, Dad, and Junior; they're kneeling behind the car . . .dog hops out .. .police "officer" blows its head off . . .. fellow police "officer" walks over, laughing . . . .second car with the rest of the family views the whole thing, with three small children in the car . . .I sure hope both the Tennessee Highway Patrol and Cookeville Police Department have very deep pockets, because they're about to learn a very EXPENSIVE lesson. WHAT WERE THESE CLOWNS THINKING?
Mr.
by Irving Glick
Tuesday Jan 7th, 2003 12:01 PM
I can tell from your well thought, insightful comments ("poop happens sometimes") that you must be a member of law enforcement. Please let us know where that is so we can avoid that part of the country
The Truth
by cop watcher
Tuesday Jan 7th, 2003 12:51 PM
The truth of the matter is that even with the publicity involved, this case will most likely result in:
1) no reprimand whatsoever given to the officer by internal affairs, and
2) absolutely no further consequences for the officer.

Working on police brutality activism, you begin to learn that no matter how serious the corruption, how brutal the transgression, the phenomenon of the Blue Wall always kicks in. I mean, killing dogs is horrible, but I've worked on at least 10 cases of cops killing humans for about the same reason and jack shit happens.

U.S. police are an occupying army. And an occupying army does not answer to the occupied.
Detroit officer severs woman's finger
by it never ends
Tuesday Jan 7th, 2003 1:13 PM
Cop says he was cutting coat to cuff her
BY JIM SCHAEFER, Detriot Free Press Staff Writer
January 7, 2003

A Detroit police officer with a knife cut off the finger of a 45-year-old woman he was trying to handcuff in a parking lot on 8 Mile.

The police, who were in plainclothes, said she was resisting arrest. The woman, Joni Gullas of Detroit, said Monday that she thought she was being carjacked.

According to police reports obtained by the Free Press, Officer Anthony Johnson pulled out a knife Sunday morning to cut off the sleeve of Gullas' oversized coat so he could put her left hand in the handcuffs.

Johnson, of the 9th (Gratiot) Precinct, has been placed on desk duty, a typical move after officers use force during arrests. Gullas has not been charged with a crime.

Cmdr. Ralph Godbee Jr. said only that internal affairs was investigating the officer's behavior during the incident, which happened about 2:30 a.m. Sunday. Though the department does not issue knives, many officers carry them for, among other things, cutting seat belts to free accident victims.

Johnson and two other officers were riding in an unmarked car on a special burglary patrol when they noticed Gullas' van in a parking lot near the Huddle Lounge near 8 Mile and Gratiot.

Gullas said she had just left the bar and was waiting for others to come out so they could go together to breakfast when a car pulled up and someone shined a spotlight in her face.

A man approached, said he was the police and demanded her identification. Gullas said she could make out only a silhouette and asked the man for police identification.

"I just thought I was getting hijacked right then and there," she said. After some heated give-and-take between the two over IDs, Johnson approached the window and demanded Gullas' license.

He wrote in his report that Gullas smelled of alcohol but refused to produce her license, saying she wasn't doing anything wrong.

She shifted the car into reverse and began to back up, he wrote. Gullas denies that she moved the car.

Johnson wrote that he reached inside to open the door, and Gullas pinned his hand with her knee and began moving the car backward again. Johnson wrote that he hit her in the face, opened the door and pulled her outside onto the pavement. He said she was pulling and pushing away from him violently.

He cuffed her right hand, but couldn't get to her left hand, which she had tucked under her body. He pulled on her coat sleeve and she pulled her hand inside, he wrote. Gullas denied doing that and said the sleeves on the coat normally hang over her hands.

Concerned that she might be reaching for a weapon, Johnson pulled out a pocket knife and cut the sleeve off "to speed up cuffing process," he wrote.

He severed her left ring finger at the top knuckle and deeply cut her middle finger, she said. Police at the scene recovered the fingertip, but it could not be reattached.

At her east side home Monday, Gullas nursed her bandaged hand, which required surgery at Detroit Receiving Hospital.

"I wasn't fighting. I just didn't know what the heck was going on," she said. "Oh, my God, it hurts. I might as well have cut the whole hand off."

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/knife7_20030107.htm
Rev.
by Edward Wensell
Tuesday Jan 7th, 2003 8:29 PM
Mr. Ross, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but you seem to use the same rationalization used to justify the killing of innocent non-involved citizens due to reckless high speed chases of folks that have committed misdemeanors.

There are stories in the News all too often about parents and children needlesly killed because a policeman is having what seems to be a 'rush' of power and can not stand the thought of someone getting away from him no matter how petty the offense. I was once in charge of a sercurity force at a large hospital in Cleveland. So, believe me when I say that I've personally seen what power can do to men. Remember the German Storm Troopers of WWII?

I agree with the other writers and offer an additional test be submitted to potential law enforecement officers. It would be called the 'Common Sense' test.

I pray Mr. Ross, that you or your family doesn't experience a similar episode as this family.
STOP COURT CORRUPTION!
by Suzanne
( icsn2202 [at] yahoo.com ) Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 2:09 AM
STOP COURT CORRUPTION!

CONFERENCE: http://www.icsn.info
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Cookeville Police shooting Dog
by Bryan B.
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 9:19 AM
I believe Tennessee to be one of the safest places to live. Just check your statistics. Although this was a horrible incident, it doesn't reflect Tennessee or Cookeville.
Educate yourself
by Bryan B.
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 9:25 AM
Sounds to me you need an English lesson.
statistics
by head counter
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 9:27 AM
If you're the one it happens to, it happens to 100% of you.

There is no excuse for this. Even once is too many.
Mrs
by Denise
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 1:10 PM
I cannot believe what I am reading. This "animal" was a loved member of the family and you justify it by saying "poop happens". That's outrageaous. The fact is, the cop knew there were dogs in the car and were asked numerous times to shut the door so that they wouldn't get out. Wouldn't common sense tell them to shut the door. The situation itself was stupid. If they had taken the time to identify this family, they would have know the wallet was theirs...how stupid can they be?
Video says all
by Vicki
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 3:51 PM
Just saw the video of the incident on our local Nashville station...looked like skeet shooting to me! Dog jumps out of the car, less than 3 seconds later the cop blows his head off. You can even hear the woman pleading with the officers to shut the door on the tape just seconds before. The cop should lose his job but "the good-ol'-boys" will watch out for him.
Student
by Tucker
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 6:23 PM
If a gereral patton rushed me, I'd shot it. I do not know your dog and I am not taking any chances.....yeah its not fair but such is life. Dead dog versus the posibility of stiches......ummm no contest
Teacher
by Lou
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 7:31 PM
>If a gereral patton rushed me, I'd shot it. I do not >know your dog and I am not taking any >chances.....yeah its not fair but such is life. Dead dog >versus the posibility of stiches......ummm no contest

I see. How about I come over and shoot your dog? It won't be fair, but such is life. After all, I don't know your dog, and I don't want to take any chances.
Mad as hell
by Dan W
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 8:08 PM
Look, I know that law enforcement is dangerous. HOWEVER the police in this instance were completely in the wrong. <Satire>My personal feeling is that the officers acted callously and with malice aforethought. They were getting their rocks off. They should be jailed, stripped of their livelyhood and all monies made by their family should be stripped as well. Should they starve? YES.Slowly too. With their colleagues made to watch. </Satire> Seriously though, they should be fired as a danger to the community.
And be made to pay a heavy fine. NOTE not the departments, these should be personal fines.
Mrs.
by Sandy
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 8:17 PM
Please do not assume that in order to have this "poop happens" attitude, you must be law enforcement. I am a member of the law enforcement community, and I am EXTREMELY upset over the events that occurred that night. An officer has a right to protect themself, but as I see it- this situation could have been prevented. From the video that I have just watched, the dog was still wagging his tail- showing no signs of even attempting to attack. He was going towards the officer, but most dogs DO NOT wag their tail if they are getting ready to attack someone. As an animal lover (and mother of 4 babies-dogs that is), I cannot imagine what this family is going through. My thoughts and prayers go out to this family. No amount of money will ever help them to get over this painful experience. The only good that I see in this situation is that they still have their beloved Cassie. Once again, my thoughts and prayers go out to your entire family.
How stupid can someone be?
by rick
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 8:52 PM
Cops should spend more time with real situations than just pulling people over for nothing...get your heads out of your%^$#^%$#^ and stop sitting around eating donuts...I am very sorry for this family and I do not blame you for not wanting to come back to this dumb redneck state!!!
Mr
by Joe
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 9:25 PM
What do you expect from gun loving hicks?
Mr. Ross is a friggin' idiot
by Eric
Wednesday Jan 8th, 2003 9:40 PM
This is in response to the Mr. Ross's hideous comments. People with this attitude "it's just an animal" should be shot. yes, you PEOPLE with that sort of attitude should be shot, having their head blown off. if i had to choose between your life, Mr. Ross, and the life of my dog...WITHOUT HESITATION i would choose the life of my dog. Apparently you've never had a pet before...or you have, but are one of those abusive pet owners. just because YOU are one heartless, callous motherfcker doesn't mean your perception of animals should be used to justify the brutal act we saw from this so-called police officer. hell, why don't we all just go driving through neighborhoods blowing away people's pets...target practice...after all, they're "just animals". fcking moron. humans are animals too, you know. and while dogs can't TALK like we can, they too have feelings...feel pain, joy and DON'T WANT TO DIE HORRIBLY TRAGIC DEATHS AT THE HANDS OF HILLBILLY REDNECK COPS WITH ITCHY TRIGGER FINGERS. excuse the harsh language, but comments like the one from this guy just infuriate me...as well as the majority of the civilized world. sadly, he probably thinks his point of view on the insignificance of animals (non-humans) is common and socially acceptable. Mr. Ross, you're no better than the cop that did this...probably worse.

The life of an innocent animal is more important than the life of a truly sick-minded individual...think about it.
Running on emotions
by Puck
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 12:15 AM
From what I've seen from about 10 other sites, somehow information to the officers in the field got screwed up. Does that deserve some kind of disciplinary? Yes. Obviously someone screwed up. Now do you blame the officers who conducted the felony stop? No. They have to act on the information they were given and if they have reason to believe that the persons in the car are dangerous, then what do you expect them to do? Just walk up to the car and ask how they are doing? That's what has gottn many an officer killed. There are evil people (besides cops as some of you are thinking) out there that you think only exist in movies.
Now, could the shooting of the dog have been done a little different. Of course. But don't blame every single officer involved, as some of you are, for the fault of a few.
Thank you Eric!
by Alison Cook
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 12:16 AM
Thank you Eric for telling Mr. Ross exactly where he can shove his horrible, and ignorant, comments. Beliefs like that infuriate me too!

Mr. Ross - it was only an animal, at the same level as cats and hamsters? Please! I work with animals on a daily basis and it is exactly beliefs like yours that lead to the frequent animal abuse cases that I see. People think they are expendable, think they dont have feelings, dont sense pain . . . . well newsflash, THEY DO!! I shouldn't even have to tell you that, it should be common sense! They are living creatures and they certainly deserve the same respect, care and love that humans do. Just because you think humans are superior, you think that gives us the right to torture, neglect or kill animals? It is exactly that mentality that confirms my belief the humans are often the lesser species when compared to most animals . . . . because only humans would be so arrogant and cruel. You obviously don't have any respect for life.

As for the police, even if the dog seemed aggressive, i see no reason why the officer felt he had to shoot it in the head! If he really felt he had to shoot it, he could have easily aimed elsewhere. . . something that might have stopped the animal without killing it. I think the fact that he aimed straight for the head on the first shot proves that he was acting irresponsibly and doing whatever he damn well pleased. He showed no compassion for this innocent animal and he most definitely deserves a harsh punishment, though unfortunately I doubt that will happen. And why didnt they just close the damn door?! That would've saved them all the trouble, they wouldnt have had to worry about any "aggressive" dogs coming after them cuz they would've been locked safely in the car. And, more importantly, a life would've be saved!
Tennesse ineptitude
by David
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 12:26 AM
I am shocked that the Tennesse authorities haven't learned from other "debacles" that have occurred to own up to all of the blame instead of trying to "whitewash" what really happened. The officer is trying to shift blame for destroying the dog, and his superiors are trying to maintain that line instead of owning up. It is only going to make it all that much worse when the truth is revealed to all. Additionally, the Cookeville police sound like a bunch of kids, stating that it was the THP instead of the police who were there insinuating that it was all the Highway patrol's fault! I personally love Tennessee, as well as the people, however, I don't care one bit for their law enforcement.
I agree
by david
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 12:28 AM
Try Kansas... where "Barney Fife" is out every night after midnight issuing tickets 25 miles from nowhere!
Mr.
by Nathan T
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 1:21 AM
It should not be surprising to the American public that a bunch of redneck police ofiicers torment a family and shoot their dog. Only 30 years ago, they believed that colored people should be their servants. Intelligence is obviously something that has failed to be acquired by these people. I think we should drag the officer who killed the animal into the street and rub his face in the blood, so he will learn not to do it again..:) Happy New Year
Mr.
by N. Thomas
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 1:53 AM
Copy of e-mail sent to Cookeville Police Department:...........You should be ashamed of the performance of your department. Also, whether or not you were the primary in the stop, is of no matter. Upon looking at the video,it is obvious that serious disciplinary measures should be taken. The dangers involved with a Felony Stop are understood by many. However, use some common sense. A cooperative FAMILY, as is obvious in the video, is not the threat that warrants the discharging of an officers firearm. Even if the dog was a threat, which it plainly was not, non-lethal means are available and should have been used. It is fortunate that only an animal was killed and not a child. However, it does not negate the fact that NOTHING should have been fired upon in this particular instance. I would hope that your department could train officers on how better to use non-lethal forms of containment.
But if justice is served, your department will not be able to afford toilet paper for the next 20 years, let alone any type of training. Maybe you will be able to whipe your asses with the badge of the trigger happy officer who brought so much shame upon you...:)
I don't think so
by Vincent Pagan
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 4:53 AM
I'm sorry, but I worked in law enforcement for four years, and there's a difference between following established proceedures and operating like a brainless idiot. The officer in question used miserably poor judgement in what he did, and hiding behind standard operating proceedure for felony vehicle stop is cowardice and ignorant. Policies such as the "felony stop" are put into place to protect the innocent and insure police safety...in this case, a bad decision hurt the innocent motorists and put all involved in danger, as the discharge of a weapon exponentially increases the level of danger to any and all around it, even if it is point plank at a dog's head. This man endangered everyone with his reckless, foolish, thoughtless act, and does not deserve to wear the badge. It's mindless following of proceedures that have earned the miserable reputation of police in many parts of this country. Need I remind you that the fire hoses turned on the marchers in Birmingham Alabama were done so following proceedure, the shooting of a Haitian man in NYC by police officers over 30 times was done so following proceedures, and an unspeakably high number of other countenances have been effected on the innocent by police following proceedure. Individuals with guns and badges need more than proceedures and policies...they need to have brains.
'Felony stop' leaves family traumatized
by butch in ky
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 5:05 AM
I love the state of tennessee but these people shoul d own that officer and cookville police dept. They need a good lawyer the officers should be fired. Kind of sounds like Germany in the 1940's.
This is a disgrace
by Jason
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 5:58 AM
I am sick to my stomach. Where I live in NJ they profile drivers and stop people and harass minorities. But this is a case of shooting a dog for no reason. All those lazy morons had to do was ensure that the door was closed after each person got out. I hope they sure and get a completely insane amount of money and bankrupt the town and police department. And they should have the officer who shot the dog fired and he should not be able to ever work in law enforcement again. And the coomanding officer should be fired for allowing a total moron to work on the force. I am sick and plan to bombard there website with emails about it. The highway patrol is also resposible because they should have been in charge of this stop. I hope the pay a ton of money also to the family. What a mess.
Mr.
by Nicolas Uribe
( nicuribe [at] emcali.net.co ) Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 6:19 AM
Sir:
Your comment to the effect that the Smoak pet was "just an animal" indicates the sort of retrograde thinking that one would hope might be overcome now that we're in the 21st century. Anyone who has ever had a pet knows that they can easily become part of the family. For the Smoaks, I'm sure the shooting of their dog was little less traumatic than the shooting of a child. The fact that a dog is a non-human in no way mitigates the pain and the loss suffered by this unfortunate family. I trust that legal restitution will be based on the actual pain and suffering inflicted on the Smoaks, and not on the "price of the dog".
Tell it the law...
by Scott L
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 6:32 AM
Cookeville Police Department
1-931-526-2125

Cookeville Police Department
Public Safety Building
10 E. Broad Street
Cookeville, TN 38501
Mr
by Ry
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 6:58 AM
Out of all the comments regarding this story, "Sul Ross's" comments are the most one sided. It's obvious you would defend a police officer in any situation. Did you not see the video? I have a lot of respect for police officers and the dangers that they face. But this is a much too common case of ignorant people who managed to make it through a 6 or 12 month course, and all of a sudden they have a badge.

You obviously don't have someone close to you that has a strong emotional bond with a pet. With three officers in the area, it was in no way appropriate for the "trigger happy" officer to fire on the dog. It's simple, the officer didn't pay attention detail, he didn't watch the dog as it exited the car and when the animal approached he was surprised and shot him. Completely the officers FAULT.

In response to your particular emphasis on the "seriousness" of the situation dispatched over the radio, The officers looked less than threatened, as they sauntered over to the three "suspects" on the ground. If thats procedure for a highly dangerous situation, I think those officers were extremely lucky the family was as harmless as they were.........much "luckier" than the family and the pet, for having to deal with such reckless law enforcement individuals who don't deserve their position.
unhappy north carolinian
by Roger Jones
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 7:01 AM
If this deputy isn"t fired for his obvious blunder under the small amount of pressure from this situation then they will be firing him later for a much better reason. I personally will not spend time or money in Tenn. again and I know many others who feel the same way.
What has our world came to
by Tammy
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 7:01 AM
When I saw this on tv I was sickend. I myself travle with my dog and if anything were to ever happen like that I really wouldn't know what to do. I just hope that the family fights back and has the two officers removed from the dep. If a officer is so threaten by a dog that comes out wagging it's tail , how threathen will he be to some old lady trying to get out of her car and can't. Is he going to shoot her as well just because she is slow getting out of the car. Well that to me is just the same as a helpless dog getting out of a car and seeing where it's family is. Just what has this world come to, we have our officers out here for help not to kill our pets.
Title
by Your Name
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 7:18 AM
Form your own opinion by watching the video:

http://www.tennessean.com/
http://www.tennessean.com/video/dogshooting0103/dog2.rm (PC)
http://www.tennessean.com/video/dogshooting0103/dog2.ram (Mac)

And better yet contact the poilce dept's BOSS:

City Hall:

City of Cookeville
45 East Broad Street
Cookeville, TN 38501
(931) 526-9591
info [at] ci.cookeville.tn.us
C
by Z
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 7:19 AM
Although it was a terrible, cruel thing for the police officer to shoot this dog, it shocks me that people are more infuriated about this than other crimes. Just look to Sri Lanka, Indonesia, and Yugoslavia: where people and not just dogs are pulled out of cars and shot in the head with no procedure.
Justified?
by Dmichael
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 7:25 AM
Why for once will the 'powers that be' in a Police department just stand up and admit that a terrible mistake was made on their handling of a situation. It seems they are never responsible, and above the laws themselves. It's always 'We respectfully regret that it happenned...., etc..'. It makes me sick when reading the police chiefs statement posted on their website. I do hope the family retains legal help because that along with public exposure is the only thing that will attempt to prevent this from repeating, as well as cause for disiplinary action against the officers involved.
Unbelievable!

Title
by Name
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 7:46 AM
My letter sent to the Mayor and Polic Chief:

I am writing in reponse to the actions of both the Highway Patrol and Cookeville Country police, specifically officer Eric Hall concerning their stop of the Smoak family. My opinion is that the incident should be reviewed to determine who was at fault for allowing the pet which was killed to be loose from the car. Furthermore, I feel quite strongly that officer Eric Hall should be fired or re-assigned to a position that does not allow him to use his negligent judgement to hurt anyone else.

According to the news, a review of the incident yeilded:

Likewise, the Cookeville Police Department's internal investigation determined that its officers, who were providing backup for the troopers, "performed their duties according to training and policy," said department spokesman Capt. Nathan Honeycutt.

If this is true your training and policy is dead wrong! I am going to follow this situation and if this is whitewashed, or those responsible for taking action in this practice the good 'ole boy mentality of protecting their own at the expense of the public I will do everything in my power to fight against the re-election of the Cookeville Country Police Chief and Mayor! I am furious that this occurred and further insensed that the initial reaction has been to close ranks among a group of offiers who showed dubious judgement and charecter.
Mr.
by Tom Adams
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 7:58 AM
I sent this via email. I'd like to find out how to contribute to the family. Has anyone seen anything?


I am sickened at the video I've seen. I'm even
more offended by the official reaction. I will never
travel through your state again even if I add many hours to my families vacation travels. If I can
figure out how to contribute to the poor family that
your department brutalized I'll do so. I hope they sue everyone there out of a job.

The world would be a safer place if that happened.
Appalled Canadian
by WayneK
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 8:09 AM
My heart and soul goes out to the Smoaks family for thier loss.

I did not see an aggressive dog on the video. I saw a playful dog that got excited by a lot of commotion and emotion surrounding its masters.

What I did see was an overreaction by a person who was running high on his own emotions.

It disgusts me to know that this officer who made a bad error in judgement is hiding behind his department and his badge. Responsible adults assume accountablility for thier actions and admit when they make mistakes. How can anyone trust a law enforcement body when they can't trust that the officers within will use reasonable judgement.

R.I.P. Patton Smoaks.
Shocked and horrified
by Harry Dichmon
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 8:46 AM
This is just too horrible for words . . . .that poor dog, that poor family. Obviously that dog meant no harm, he was wagging his tail as he ran up to the police "officer." Did you hear that poor thing screaming as he was repeatedly riddled with buck shot? Did you hear the pleas of the family to shut the car door? Did you notice the glee with which "officer" Hall pumped poor Patton full of lead, over and over?

And yes, I feel compassion for the many poor individuals all over the world who are killed every day by ruthless dictators, however, there is a major difference here: Their deaths aren't broadcast in living color on TV .. . perhaps if they were, we would be more active.

That said, I hope the Smoak family bankrupts the Cookville police department (which is riddled with corruption . . .just do a "google" search). They never, ever get over this traumatic experience. Count me in as one person who will avoid the Volunteer State like the plague . . .. . ugh, I feel sick!
Re: Mr. Ross
by Human
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 8:48 AM
Humans vs. "just animals".... Most of the human population is made of lying, deceitful, hateful, prejudiced, stealing, spiteful jerks. I can't say the same for animals. I've never met an animal that deserved to die. I've met MANY humans who did/do deserve to die. No animal has ever caused the death of thousands of other animals over religious belief, or killed for pleasure.
Please give ONE G O O D reason why a "animal's" life is more important than a human's. (other than "Because it's an animal.")
"I can't say the same for animals."
by Dirk McGirk
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 8:52 AM
"I've never met an animal that deserved to die. I've met MANY humans who did/do deserve to die. "

What makes you think humans are anything more than just animals?
Mr.
by Doug Griswold
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 8:52 AM
Were those cops or Gestapo?
Mrs.
by Amee
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 8:55 AM
I completely agree with Sul Ross in everything. thank-you for looking at the situation with an open mind. You stated some pretty good points..."should we start prosecuting those who hit dogs on the street with their cars?" I appreciated you comments.
MR
by Larry Wong
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 9:00 AM
I am very much outraged that this officer shot the dog. However, those of us that are not police officers or not law enforcement officers, do not have the experience of such situations. Three seconds is a very long time for police officers. There are many news reports of police officers being shot, killed with a knife, or beaten to death in a lot less time than three seconds. The officer should be investigated and punished if found to have violated protocol and procedures. The general public should take a step back and think about this and not react with our emotions.
Mrs.
by Kathy Bodziak
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 9:09 AM
Why is it that when police officers do stupid things, the innocent get hurt? I agree that they have to protect themselves from criminals, but here was no indication that these people weren't cooperating with the officers. The people were handcuffed and on their knees. Four cop cars full of officers with shotguns trained on three UNARMED family members, ON THEIR KNEES; they couldn't spare ONE OFFICER to reach over and close a car door? If they were in fear of the dogs, wouldn’t that have made good sense, to confine the dogs inside the car?

To add insult to injury, the Good Old Boy mentality of Tennessee takes over and the police are making excuses and trying to cover their butts. Yes, this could and does happen in other states. That doesn’t make it right and it doesn't excuse the officers’ grin when he saw how upset the young man was to lose his beloved family pet. If an officer’s duty is "To Serve and Protect", these officers failed on both counts. All officers should be required to take animal control training to help them know how to handle situations like these so this kind of situation doesn't deteriorate into a senseless tragedy. Let’s hope this family follows through with a law suit against these officers. Tell me where I can send money to help with their legal fees.

smm
by Shawn Mays
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 9:20 AM
This incident infuriates me so much, I am almost trembling at work. Was this an "unfortunate accident?" No, it was a case of gross negligence and at nowhere during the scene was there a shred of intelligence shown by the officers. #1. You can look at the car and people inside and see that they were not deadly fugitives. Yes not everyone matches a typical "criminal" profile, but what kind of gut intuition do you have to have to see this was a vacationing family? #2. They repeatedly asked for a minor thing, for one of the many officers on the scene to close the car doors so the dogs would not escape. Even if this had been a car full of alleged criminals, that was a reasonable request. #3 The most obvious: the suspects had been subdued at this point, yet the officers still had them all under gunpoint. The dog did not rush this idiot redneck officer. Even if his intent was to attack, the officer had a good bit of time to think about his plan of action. Instead of macing the animal, he casually blew its head off. Hell, even if it had attacked, a few lacerations arent that bad, wimp. Pull out your nightstick or mace moron. Afterwards, the smirking officer. This is entirely believable, and if they believe they can play this off as not happening, think again. For those that say "get over it, it was a dog", and treat it like flushing a goldfish down the drain....that officer effectively killed a family member before the eyes of innocent witnesses, and treated it with no remorse. I have lived in a small town all my life, and I have seen the types that usually go out for positions for the local police department. Skinny skinhead punks like the one pictured that were redneck country music listening morons in high school that couldnt get a date, and decided to take their pent up frustrations out on speeders and high school kids. Yeah you know who you are. To any legitimate law enforcement officials out there actually performing your duties with a servant's heart and love for the community, I commend you. For the types that can't handle their weapon when confronted with a family in a station wagon, get your butt to McDonalds and off our public roads.
Mr.
by Peter
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 9:27 AM
MR ...Larry Wong:

"However, those of us that are not police officers or not law enforcement officers, do not have the experience of such situations" is hogwash.

Contrary to what you seem to know, many if not most of us have had the experience of being rushed by a dog whose intentions we are not absolutely certain of. Most of us, however, apply certain judgements regarding dogs which most people are familiar with: relative (to ourselves) size of dog, demeanor, protective clothing (e.g., "I'm wearing jeans"), proximity of children, etc. Because of the familiarity of this experience (being rushed by a dog), most people are able to correctly process the situation and make the appropriate judgement in a very short time -- generally, less than a second or two. Furthermore, it is fair ot assume a that law enforcement officer in a rural, hunting state such as Tennessee would have greater-than-average experience in making that judgement (the nature and threat posed by an approaching dog). However, it is obvious in this case that the officer in question had no consideration for the actual circumstances, but rather, is of a nature to simply fire his weapon rather than make a professional, or even humane, judgement. Aside from the brutal nature of the crime, for which he and his department should be punished, this flaw (a judgement obviously skewed strongly to intimidation and violence) absolutely disqualifies him from the position of a field law enforcement officer. In that position he is obviously a threat not just to the occasional dog, but to the very people he is supposed to serve and protect.

That, in case you missed it, is the real issue at hand, and you don't need to "have been there" to understand it.
Mr
by Ken Gulledge
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 9:29 AM
The cops should be sued to the maximum. Just looking at the picture of the drver on his license would have ended this or even asking for his wifes ID should have ended it. After everyone of the cops loses their job but before going to jail for at least 6yrs no probation;They and the police dept. and city they work for should be sued by by the family . The dog that survived should be awarded damages also pain and suffering , loss of companion etc. Sic em Lawyer.
MY OPINION
by WEELITTLELAD
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 9:29 AM
ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO PUT THE VIDEO UP ON THE WEB! I'd LIKE TO SEE IT. I HEARD IT GOT TWO THUMBS UP
A comment by "Bledge" was removed
by SF-IMC volunteer
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 9:50 AM
because it was spam. Multiple posting of the same text is not allowed here.
Mr.
by Johnny Houston
( voljohn [at] aol.com ) Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 9:55 AM
I cannot believe anyone could defend the action of this police officer. Oh, it's just an animal, like a hamster or something. Well, BS! If the police had just shut the damn door, then this NEVER would have happened. Don't divert the real issue into cops getting capped.

That is a good example of true intellectual dishonesty.
non sequitur
by one of the editors
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 9:59 AM
>Don't divert the real issue

This refers to the removed comment.
Ms
by Laura Ryley
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:00 AM
This officer should be fired and brought up on animal cruelty charges!
Citizen for Justice
by Ben Tobe
( btobe [at] woh.rr.com ) Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:08 AM
This is one of the most disgraceful and cowardly acts I have ever seen perpetrated by a police officer. I saw the video and the officer has NO EXCUSE in my opinion. I believe he should be terminated. There is nothing that officer can say that would justify the killing of that dog. I feel terrible for the Smoak's and I would like to express my deepest condolences. I think there is a fundamental problem at the Cookeville Police Department with it's training methods.
Bravo to SF IMC
by bewtane
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:18 AM
I saw the removed post. Good job. Distance yourselves from the murder of David Mobilio as much as possible. We can't allow anything to bring down, or interfer with our indymedia activist communication network.
Mrs
by Judi Hewett
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:22 AM
I still can't believe that this could have happened. How desperately dangerous did a family with 2 dogs look to these so-called officers.
I would certainly wonder what are the requirements to be an officer of the law in Tennessee.
They should all be ashamed of themselves. The good thing about living in a small town is that everybody knows everybody . . . I hope those officers involved enjoy knowing that everyone knows who they are and what they've done.
Reasonable Comparison
by matchgame
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:22 AM
Police Officer David Frank Mobilio has received less care and concern on this site than has this dog. Priorities among those who are in agreement along those lines I suppose.

Mrs
by Judi Hewett
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:24 AM
I still can't believe that this could have happened. How desperately dangerous did a family with 2 dogs look to these so-called officers.
I would certainly wonder what are the requirements to be an officer of the law in Tennessee.
They should all be ashamed of themselves. The good thing about living in a small town is that everybody knows everybody . . . I hope those officers involved enjoy knowing that everyone knows who they are and what they've done.
Mrs
by Judi Hewett
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:26 AM
I still can't believe that this could have happened. How desperately dangerous did a family with 2 dogs look to these so-called officers.
I would certainly wonder what are the requirements to be an officer of the law in Tennessee.
They should all be ashamed of themselves. The good thing about living in a small town is that everybody knows everybody . . . I hope those officers involved enjoy knowing that everyone knows who they are and what they've done.
Mrs.
by Carie Campbell
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:26 AM
Wouldn't securing the scene included shutting the doors? If I was a police officer and realized there were animals in the car I think I would have made sure they were secured for everyones safety. Sounds to me like the police officer just weren't thinking. And because of their ignorance a family is left to pick up the pieces. While they go off with a chuckle and a story to share. The last thing this country needs is police officers with weapons who can't think! My bottom line is, sure the police officer might have been fearing for his safety. But it all could have been avoided by simply shutting the doors and securing the animals in the vehicle until animal control could have been brought to the scene if need be. We really should think about who we give control and a weapon to.
Mrs.
by Carie Campbell
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:26 AM
Wouldn't securing the scene included shutting the doors? If I was a police officer and realized there were animals in the car I think I would have made sure they were secured for everyones safety. Sounds to me like the police officer just weren't thinking. And because of their ignorance a family is left to pick up the pieces. While they go off with a chuckle and a story to share. The last thing this country needs is police officers with weapons who can't think! My bottom line is, sure the police officer might have been fearing for his safety. But it all could have been avoided by simply shutting the doors and securing the animals in the vehicle until animal control could have been brought to the scene if need be. We really should think about who we give control and a weapon to.
Mrs.
by Carie Campbell
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:26 AM
Wouldn't securing the scene included shutting the doors? If I was a police officer and realized there were animals in the car I think I would have made sure they were secured for everyones safety. Sounds to me like the police officer just weren't thinking. And because of their ignorance a family is left to pick up the pieces. While they go off with a chuckle and a story to share. The last thing this country needs is police officers with weapons who can't think! My bottom line is, sure the police officer might have been fearing for his safety. But it all could have been avoided by simply shutting the doors and securing the animals in the vehicle until animal control could have been brought to the scene if need be. We really should think about who we give control and a weapon to.
where can we see this video
by Texas Students
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:29 AM
We would like to know if there is any sites to where we could download this video for media player. For some reason We can't seem to get it to download , from the other sites. We have heard so much about this video , We our selfs would like to take a look at it . Just to have yo to know this killing of this dog has reached all the way to Texas, and us students here @ TSU Texas State University would like to send our sorrows to the family that was put through such pain of losing their family pet Patton. We here in Texas stand behind the family all the way...
MR
by Mootrey
Thursday Jan 9th, 2003 10:30 AM
The officer should be fired or charged for murder. a life is a life. what if it had been a small child jumping out of the car.. sorry for your l