Hundreds March in SF for Palestinian Solidarity

I can't believe US ctizens would march for the people who cheered when the WTC went down. Don't you realize they would cheer just as much if the Golden Gate Bridge or Bay Bridge got blown up too? Morons.

Obviously you must resort to outright lies to hide behind your racist views. In fact, the only people cheering when those towers went down were you, the rest of the right wing, and especially Bush and Sharon to whom it was a gift to kill and oppress anyone they choose, without opposition.

Nice try, dork. Now go take a shower.

How is what I said racist? I was merely stating the truth. Look, you can live with your head in the sand but the rest of the country knows that Palestinians were celebrating in the streets when the WTC went down.

I bet you believe the story about the "Brazilian journalist" who said that footage was from back during the Gulf War. That story was proved false just like the one about the Jews who didn't show up to work on 9-11. Or, do you still believe that one too?

I don't like Bush or any politicians (US, European, Israeli, Arab, etc.) but to march for those who cheer your peoples' death is idiocy and lunacy.

"How is what I said racist? I was merely stating the truth. Look, you can live with your head in the sand but the rest of the country knows that Palestinians were celebrating in the streets when the WTC went down. "

Here is why it is racist. Do you know WHY there were some Palestinians celebrating the WTC attacks? Do you have any comprehension why the average Palestinian person would blame the average American person for their problems? Explain it to me, please.

Hey children, both of you cut it out. You the Israeli apologist. Get a grip. How would you like the land in which you and your forebears lived be colonized and appropriated for the past several generations. Acknowledging that the Palestinians have a point is not racist.
And you "Mr. Fuck Off" you know damn well that the vast majority of right-wingers were not cheering the collapse of the world trade centers. And I am sure that Sharon and Bush were not cheering either. Yes they opportunistically took advantage of the situation, but they did not celebrate. (Well maybe in their bunkers.)

I personally am happy that many people showed up to protest.

And yeah I am sure that there are millions around the world who hate the US enough that they would cheer at any targeting or outrage perpetuated on this country, whether in involved innocent civilians or the guilty political and corporate classes. The US is sufficiently dehumanized due to its policies and pre-eminent imperial position in the world that an attack on any American will be welcomed by many. Does this mean we as Americans suddenly support the "war on terror" whatever the hell that is?
No, not unless you are unfamiliar with the concept of blowback.

What we need to do is work harder than ever to get rid of Bush and work to corral the U.S. Corporations and political policies that make us, justifiably, one of the most hated nations in the world. This is not news. If either of you has traveled abroad you will know that the US of A foreign policy has been unpopular for years. It is just that unpopularity is now being taken out on individuals who are not at fault. Pearl the WSJ reporter and all those who perished on Sept. 11.

And don’t forget every empire eventually fall. Being Brit born I know that fact well. Now quit shooting at each other and recalibrate at the real enemies: Bush et al.

ps do neither of you have the nerve to post your real names?
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I am an Israeli born guy who was raised in the United States, and has pretty mixed feelings towards Israel. I certainly have a nastalgic attatchement to the place from a personal point of view, and a love of the Hebrew language and fondness for some distinctly modern Israeli culture that has blossomed over the past fifty years. I also understand the historical context in which the concept of a Jewish state was born, and eventually realized in the land of Palestine/historical Israel/Judaea. There is some legitemacy and merit to the idea of a Jewish homeland, and at least some legitemacy to its loaction being where it is. It is not I beleive akin to other colonial invasions such as South Africa, the United States etc, as many like to conjecture. Jews were historically persecuted in Europe, and at the time when Zionism was born, there was a general conciousness of nationalism bubbling in the air. The zionsists picked up on this idea and ran with it. The late ninteenth and early twentieth centery were a time of idealogical and historical termoil, especially for European Jews who had until that point been exclusively religious and ghettosized. As there emerged a secular Jewish element of society, many competing streams of idealogy were in the mix. Some Jews became fervent communists, others tried to blend in with their gentile countrymen (to no avail is the Holocaust demonstrated), others flocked to America with other poor European immigrants, and a small segment jumped on the Zionist bandwagon. The point that I'm making is simply that there is no clear historical legitemcy OR illegitemcy for Israel's existence. Its a complicated matter with many ambiguities twists and turns. Most importantly, Israel was not founded by the powers that be. It was founded actually by a disempowered underdog, and was not linked to superpowers or corporate interests...these links emerged later....


On the other hand, I question the need or purpose to perpetuate the idea of a Jewish state in the present day. Israel itself is highly divided between Ultra orthodox, Religious orthodox, and various secular populations. The major argument that I hear for the need for a Jewish state is that the Jews still need a safe haven, a place of their own in the face of 2000 years of continued unease and persecution in the diaspora. There is however an irony to this argument, because as JEWS, jews are probably least safe in Israel than anywhere else. Generally speaking Jews are not targetted as Jews in places like the U.S., Europe, Australia, and South America where there are large and thriving Jewish poplations, but in Israel they are targeted still for that very reason. (though more so becauese they are part of a political military entity known as Israel that defines itself as a Jewish state)...this is an important matter.

Let me get back on track here. the reason I feel compelled to write here as my title indicates is that though I see Israel as a place with many moral problems at its core specifically related to the occupation of Palestine, and mistreatment of the Palestinians, and certainly view the violent actions of the current government as counterproductive, and reprehnsible, I maintain that Israel is neither a RACIST state, nor do its military actions constitute genocide. The problems in Israel are indeed a two sided coin, albeit one side has more milatary might than the other, there is and has been a state of War and political dispute there that has unfolded in violence. Israel engages in military actions against Palestinians not because of their RACE, but because of their politcal and national objectives which are in conflict with Israel's own political and national objectives as a Jewish state. This is where the situation becomes tricky. IN pure principle, the concept of a Jewish state is not racist, but nationalistic, however in practice it starts to become more blury and complicated. The motivation originally for a Jewish state wasn't to exclude and persecute others, but rather was to realize national soverighntly for a people who were vulnerable, or at least perceived themselves to be. Its the same reason the Palestinains attack Israelis. They're not attacking Jews, but rather a polictical entity that is opressing them and stopping them from realizing their NATIONAL aspirations.

certainly their are elements of racism at play into the Isralaeli Palestinian conflict on both sides, but it is not at its core an issue of RACE.. Furthermore, while the Israeli occupation has been harsh, oppresive, and a genral burden on the Palestinaina people it does not constitute genocide. Genocide is the systematic murder of people because of their ethnicity, race, beliefs. Israel is not and has never engaged in the systematic large scale murder of Palestinians. Certainly it has killed many innocent (and not innocent)Palestinians, mistreated prisoners, humilated people with check points and roadblocks, confiscated land, used Palestinians as a subserveant economic class ect, but it has not systematicallly quarantined and killed them. Simply put to call Israel's actions genocide or to compare them to Nazi attrocities is completley conunterproductive to the cause of justice and peace. Call it what it is, misguided, but why exaggerate? Doing this only makes you sound like an anti-semetic mis-informed idealogue. Doing this streghnthens the perception amongst Jews and Israelis that the world IS out to get them, and that therefore they must dig in deeper.

Now back to the idea of Israel as a Jewish state. Given the current internal state of Israeli society, the safe place that Jews enjoy in many parts of the world, and conflict over land and national aspirations with the Palestinian people, I think that the whole notion of a JEWISH state must be seriously taken into question. There already live over 1 million Arab non jewish people in Israel. Likewise, there are close to half a million Jewish Israelis in the occupied terretories.

To realistically expect a physical sepertion of these two peoples is stretching it at this point. A Jewish state can only be maintained if there is such a physical seperation, for otherwise it will be deomographically overtaken, and its distinincly Jewish character as a state will vanish. However, the two populations are not geographically distinct, making sepration not very feasible.
Therefore, I propose a one state solution as the ultimate solution to this conflict. A one state solution in which both Jews, and Palestinians alike have equal citezenship and access to resources and power.

Of course there are many many problems with this idea. Large amounts of mutal distrust between the two sides, a current power imbalance in favor of the Isralis that would probably mean that state institutions would continue to be Israeli dominated for a while...an eventual demographic advantage for Palestinians which would freak out most Israelis given the mutal distrust thing, and also not to be underestimated, the lack of democratic institutions on the Palestinian side.

But what else is there to do? How can you seperate the two into two peoples into two disticnt states at this point? The Palestinains want the right of return for refugees to Israel, the Israelis (or at least signifgant portions of them) want the settlers to stay, (and certainly most Israelis dont dream of dismantelling so called settlements around Jerusalem which are more akin to suburbs....

What is clear is that sticking to an easy answer ideaolgocial point of view is not the right path. Weather this be an Islamic or Jewish extremist point of view that rejects the right of existence of the other side, or a leftist idealogical view that likes to put the conflict into simple understandable famaliar terms of the evil colonial power versus the opressed indegenious heroes .....

real creativity and forsight are needed...
thanks,
amir

A 2 state solution is not gonna be the ideal situation, but if anything short of one side completely wiping out the other is to happen, a 2 state solution is gonna have to be it. The need for a Jewish state is valid as much now as it was when Herzl wrote of a Jewish State, or when the young people of Chovevei Zion dreampt of escaping Russian oppression.

The crowd here at indymedia for the most part could care less about solutions, and more about some utopian progressive/marxist/socialist/anarchist.whateverist dream.

It is so easy to be revolutionary in San Francisco.
But as far as Israel goes, keep in mind why so many here focus on what Israel does, at the expense of the victims in India, Pakistan, and other places in the world.

The funniest is when an anarchist claims to be concerned about what our government is doing.

Remember why we celebrate Passover coming up. Are we gonna forget now after thousands of years?

I now proclaim that the state of Alabama will now seperate from the United States since historically Baptists were persecuted by the great mainstream protestant majority in America. It is obvious that Baptists need their own state, so do Protestans and Catholics and Mormons. Since all have had historical episodes of combating each other and have suffered massacres at each others hands. Therefore let the Baptist ideology declare Alabama a Holy Baptist State. Heck, let's not let anyone live with anyone else whose religion is different. As a gesture of good faith we Baptists will recognize the Homosexual Autonomous Lands of the Castro as being a legal entity on equal footing with the Holy Baptist Land of Alabama. We will however, be re-introducing "servititude" but those that do not want "servititude" can leave for Georgia, Mississippi or other places and live as refugees.

Of course this is not an attempt at a reductio ad absurdum argument or sarcasm.

Islam is a PESTILENCE! It MUST be erradicated from the west!

theres no such place as palestine. theres no such thing as palestinians. give the land back to jordan. move the jews to utah. case closed.

we give the jews way to much money. we give the muslims way to much attention.

religion is cancer. let the jews get jobs here and pay back some of the hundreds of trillions of dollars we gave them. let the jordanians screw real living virgins instead of fictitious dead ones.

I can't believe they would do that, those scum bags. They have no truth at all. THE JEWS ARE THE GOOD GIES. THE PALISTINIANS ARE THE ENEMY. What we are doing is right. I think we should even put our troops in the West Bank to help the Isralies, but hey thats just me. The Palistinians are pure evil and so are these prostestors.

It is interesting that the Palestians are angry with the State of Israel and not their own people; The eight or is it 60 Arab nations have kept the Paletstinians in concentration camps for 50+ years now. Virtually every other nation absorbs immigrants and they prosper in their new land.

So, the Arabs that lived in the land ceded to Israel left at the promises of their fellows Moslems, such as the Grand Mufti that they would be rewarded.

Their reward is anguish and suffering. To deny that the Palestians suffer would be foolish. To believe that their suffering was caused by the Jews is more foolish.

Even the Kuwaities booted out over 300,000 palestinians during and after the Gulf War for supporting Iraq. It has been widely reported that one reason the Arab counties want a Palestinian state is so they can force the refugees to return. They are a drain in seemingly every country in the region they infiltrate.

Thats not their land stupid!!!!

Everybody here is missing the common sense of this crisis. What is Palestine, Who are palestinians and where did the name come from? Who named Isreal, Bethlehem, and Jeruselum? Who's land was it first? Where are the people we think of as palestinians today really from. How long will we take the land that belongs to the Jews from them. The Arab community controls 99.9% of the middle east. Give the Jews there one-tenth. Either live under Israeli rule, happily, or leave. Sorry...........

Britain.

I was interested the other day when I heard that the de facto Saudi ruler, Crown Prince Abdullah, made a statement which was received by many in this country as if it were a statement of fact, as if it were something new, a concept for peace in the Middle East that no one had ever heard of before. I was kind of shocked that it was so well received by many people who had been down this road before.

I suggest to you that what Crown Prince Abdullah talked about a few days ago was not new at all. He talked about the fact that under the Abdullah plan, Arabs would normalize relations with Israel in exchange for the Jewish state surrendering the territory it received after the Six Day War, as if that were something new...

[But] there isn't anything new about the prospect of giving up land that is rightfully Israel's land in order to have peace. When it gets right down to it, the land doesn't make that much difference, because Yasser Arafat and others don't recognize Israel's right to any of the land. They do not recognize Israel's right to exist. Yasser Arafat and others don't recognize Israel's right to any of the land. They do not recognize Israel's right to exist.

I will discuss seven reasons why Israel is entitled to the land they have and that it should not be a part of the peace process. If this is something that Israel wants to do, it is their business to do it. But anyone who has tried to put the pressure on Israel to do this is wrong.

We are going to be hit by skeptics who are going to say we will be attacked because of our support for Israel, and if we get out of the Middle East -- that is us -- all the problems will go away. That is just not true. If we withdraw, all of these problems will again come to our door. I have some observations to make about that.

But I would like to reemphasize once again the seven reasons that Israel has the right to their land.

1) ARCHEOLOGY

The first reason is that Israel has the right to the land because of all of the archeological evidence. All the archeological evidence supports it. Every time there is a dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that Israelis have had a presence there for 3,000 years. The coins, the cities, the pottery, the culture -- there are other people, groups that are there, but there is no mistaking the fact that Israelis have been present in that land for 3,000 years. It predates any claims that other peoples in the region may have.

The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Israelis have. Even the Egyptians of today are not racial Egyptians of 2,000, 3,000 years ago. They are primarily an Arab people. The land is called Egypt, but they are not the same racial and ethnic stock as the old Egyptians of the ancient world.

The Israelis are in fact descended from the original Israelites.

2) HISTORY

The second proof of Israel's right to the land is the historic right. History supports it totally and completely. We know there has been an Israel up until the time of the Roman Empire. The Romans conquered the land. Israel had no homeland, although Jews were allowed to live there. They were driven from the land in two dispersions: One in 70 A.D. and the other in 135 A.D. But there was always a Jewish presence in the land.

The Turks, who took over about 700 years ago and ruled the land up until about World War One, had control. Then the land was conquered by the British. The Turks entered World War One on the side of Germany. The British knew they had to do something to punish Turkey, and also to break up that empire that was going to be a part of the whole effort of Germany in World War One. So the British sent troops against the Turks in the Holy Land.

One of the generals who was leading the British armies was a man named Allenby. Allenby was a Bible-believing Christian. He carried a Bible with him everywhere he went and he knew the significance of Jerusalem. The night before the attack against Jerusalem to drive out the Turks, Allenby prayed that God would allow him to capture the city without doing damage to the holy places.

That day, Allenby sent World War One biplanes over the city of Jerusalem to do a reconnaissance mission. You have to understand that the Turks had at that time never seen an airplane. So there they were, flying around. They looked in the sky and saw these fascinating inventions and did not know what they were, and they were terrified by them.They dared not fight against a prophet from God, so Allenby captured Jerusalem without firing a single shot.

Then they were told they were going to be opposed by a man named Allenby the next day, which means, in their language, "man sent from God" or "prophet from God." They dared not fight against a prophet from God, so the next morning, when Allenby went to take Jerusalem, he went in and captured it without firing a single shot.

The British government was grateful to Jewish people around the world, particularly to one Jewish chemist who helped them manufacture niter. Niter is an ingredient that was used in nitroglycerin which was sent over from the New World. But they did not have a way of getting it to England. The German U-boats were shooting on the boats, so most of the niter they were trying to import to make nitroglycerin was at the bottom of the ocean. But a man named Weitzman, a Jewish chemist, discovered a way to make it from materials that existed in England. As a result, they were able to continue that supply.

The British at that time said they were going to give the Jewish people a homeland. That is all written down in history. They were gratified that the Jewish people, the bankers, came through and helped finance the war.

The homeland that Britain said it would set aside consisted of all of what is now Israel and all of what was then the nation of Jordan -- the whole thing. That was what Britain promised to give the Jews in 1917. In the beginning, there was some Arab support for this action. There was not a huge Arab population in the land at that time, and there is a reason for that. The land was not able to sustain a large population of people. It just did not have the development it needed to handle those people, and nobody really wanted this land. It was considered to be worthless land.

Mark Twain -- Samuel Clemens -- took a tour of Palestine in 1867. This is how he described that land. We are talking about Israel now. He said: "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

Where was this great Palestinian nation? It did not exist. It was not there. Palestinians were not there. Palestine was a region named by the Romans, but at that time it was under the control of Turkey, and there was no large mass of people there because the land would not support them.

This is the report that the Palestinian Royal Commission, created by the British, made. It quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea in 1913. The Palestinian Royal Commission said:

"The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the Yavnev village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants."

That was 1913.

The French author Voltaire described Palestine as "a hopeless, dreary place." In short, under the Turks the land suffered from neglect and low population. That is a historic fact. The nation became populated by both Jews and Arabs because the land came to prosper when Jews came back and began to reclaim it. If there had never been any archaeological evidence to support the rights of the Israelis to the territory, it is also important to recognize that other nations in the area have no longstanding claim to the country either.

Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941. The borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks.

Historically, Israel gained its independence in 1948.

3) AGRICULTURE

The third reason that land belongs to Israel is the practical value of the Israelis being there. Israel today is a modern marvel of agriculture. Israel is able to bring more food out of a desert environment than any other country in the world. The Arab nations ought to make Israel their friend and import technology from Israel that would allow all the Middle East, not just Israel, to become an exporter of food. Israel has unarguable success in its agriculture.

4) HUMANITARIAN

The fourth reason I believe Israel has the right to the land is on the grounds of humanitarian concern. You see, there were 6 million Jews slaughtered in Europe during World War Two. The persecution against the Jews had been very strong in Russia since the advent of communism, and before then under the Czars.

These people have a right to their homeland. If we are not going to allow them a homeland in the Middle East, then where? What other nation on Earth is going to cede territory, is going to give up land?

They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel would fit into my home state of Oklahoma seven times. They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel is very small. It is a nation that, up until the time that claims started coming in, was not desired by anybody.

5) STRATEGIC ALLY

The fifth reason Israel ought to have their land is that she is a strategic ally of the United States. Whether we realize it or not, Israel is an impediment to certain groups hostile to democracies and hostile to what we believe in, hostile to that which makes us the greatest nation in the history of the world. They have kept them from taking complete control of the Middle East. If it were not for Israel, they would overrun the region. Israel votes with America in the United Nations more than England, Canada, France, Germany -- more than any other country in the world.

They are our strategic ally. It is good to know we have a friend in the Middle East on whom we can count. They vote with us in the United Nations more than England, more than Canada, more than France, more than Germany -- more than any other country in the world.

6) ROADBLOCK TO TERRORISM

The sixth reason is that Israel is a roadblock to terrorism. The war we are now facing is not against a sovereign nation; it is against a group of terrorists who are very fluid, moving from one country to another. They are almost invisible. That is whom we are fighting against today. We need every ally we can get. If we do not stop terrorism in the Middle East, it will be on our shores.

One of the reasons I believe the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States is that the policy of our government has been to ask the Israelis, and demand it with pressure, not to retaliate in a significant way against the terrorist strikes that have been launched against them.

Since its independence in 1948, Israel has fought four wars: The 1948 War of Independence, the 1956 Sinai campaign, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In all four cases, Israel was attacked. They were not the aggressor. Some people may argue that this was not true because they went in first in 1956, but they knew at that time that Egypt was building a huge military to become the aggressor. Israel, in fact, was not the aggressor and has not been the aggressor in any of the four wars.

Also, they won all four wars against impossible odds. They are great warriors. They consider a level playing field being outnumbered 2-to-1.

There were 39 Scud missiles that landed on Israeli soil during the Gulf War. Our president asked Israel not to respond. In order to have the Arab nations on board, we asked Israel not to participate in the war. They showed tremendous restraint and did not. Now we have asked them to stand back and not do anything over these last several attacks. We have criticized them. We have criticized them in our media. Local people in television and radio often criticize Israel, not knowing the true facts. We need to be informed.

I was so thrilled when I heard a reporter pose a question to Secretary of State Colin Powell. He said: "Mr. Powell, the United States has advocated a policy of restraint in the Middle East. We have discouraged Israel from retaliation again and again and again because we've said that it escalates the violence. Are we going to follow that ourselves?"

Mr. Powell indicated we would strike back. In other words, we can tell Israel not to do it, but when it hits us, we are going to do something.

But all that changed in December when the Israelis went into Gaza with gunships and into the West Bank with F-16s. With the exception of last May, the Israelis had not used F-16s since the Six Day War. And I am so proud of them because we have to stop terrorism. It is not going to go away. If Israel were driven into the sea tomorrow, if every Jew in the Middle East were killed, terrorism would not end. You know that in your heart. Terrorism would continue. It is not just a matter of Israel in the Middle East. It is the heart of the very people who are perpetrating this stuff. Should they be successful in overrunning Israel -- which they won't be -- but should they be, it would not be enough. They will never be satisfied.

7) BIBLICAL RIGHT

I believe very strongly that we ought to support Israel, and that it has a right to the land, because God said so. In Genesis 13:14-17, the Bible says: "The Lord said to Abram, "Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, southward, eastward and westward: for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever... Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to thee."

That is God talking. The Bible says that Abram removed his tent and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar before the Lord. Hebron is in the West Bank. It is at this place where God appeared to Abram and said, "I am giving you this land" -- the West Bank. This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the word of God is true.

CONCLUSION

The seven reasons, I am convinced, clearly establish that Israel has a right to the land. Eight years ago on the White House lawn, Yitzhak Rabin shook hands with PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat. It was a historic occasion. It was a tragic occasion. At that time, the official policy of the government of Israel began to be, "Let us appease the terrorists. Let us begin to trade the land for peace." This process continued unabated up until last year.

Here in our own nation, at Camp David in the summer of 2000, then-Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Barak offered the most generous concessions to Yasser Arafat that had ever been laid on the table. He offered him more than 90 percent of all the West Bank territory, sovereign control of it. There were some parts he did not want to offer, but in exchange he said he would give up land in Israel proper that the PLO had not even asked for. Barak even spoke of dividing Jerusalem. Arafat stormed out of the meeting.

And he also did the unthinkable. He even spoke of dividing Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to have their capital there. Yasser Arafat stormed out of the meeting. Why did he storm out of the meeting? Everything he said he wanted was offered there. It was put into his hands. Why did he storm out of the meeting? A couple of months later, there began to be riots, terrorism. The riots began when now-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon went to the Temple Mount. And this was used as the thing that lit the fire and caused the explosion. Did you know that Sharon did not go unannounced and that he contacted the Islamic authorities before he went and secured their permission to be there? It was no surprise.

The response was very carefully calculated. They knew the world would not pay attention to the details. They would portray this in the Arab world as an attack upon the holy mosque and use it as an excuse to riot. Over the last eight years, during this time of the peace process, where the Israeli public has pressured its leaders to give up land for peace because they are tired of fighting, there has been increased terror.

In fact, it has been greater in the last eight years than any other time in Israel's history. Showing restraint and giving in has not produced any kind of peace. It is so much so that today the leftist peace movement in Israel does not exist because the people feel they were deceived. They offered a hand of peace, and it was not taken. That is why the politics of Israel have changed drastically over the past 12 months. The Israelis have come to see that, "No matter what we do, these people do not want to deal with us... They want to destroy us."

That is why even yet today the stationery of the PLO still has upon it the map of the entire state of Israel, not just the little part they call the West Bank. They want it all.

We have to get out of this mindset that somehow you can buy peace in the Middle East by giving little plots of land. It has not worked before when it has been offered.

These seven reasons show why Israel is entitled to that land.

What i would like to know is how come a country that proclaims itself to the rest of the world as peace loving with liberty and justice for all; calls itself doing sending fighter jets,tanks,& millions of dollars in heavy weaponry, then stand by and let a war criminal "sharon" proceed to murder innocent civillians.Are all Palestinians "Terrorists"?But then again this great country also supported apphartied in South Africa and labeled those fighting for their freedom, Terrorists. wake up and recognige, we are living in a Police Racist State. Any one denying this, is in denial.

The United States and her allies should take a refreshment coarse in history. Every Empire wil fall. the attrocities commited to aquire this land and current world power status will come full circle back to this country. and every wicked means of deception will be shown to the world. and the day is comming soon when this country will be held accountable for all its wickedness and arragant ways. God bless america; In your DREAMS!

The United States and her allies should take a refreshment coarse in history. Every Empire wil fall. the attrocities commited to aquire this land and current world power status will come full circle back to this country. and every wicked means of deception will be shown to the world. and the day is comming soon when this country will be held accountable for all its wickedness and arragant ways. God bless america; In your DREAMS!

man you israelis are funny people. not only is it wrong for the muslims just to exist, but if they complain about you killing them you call them racists. you cry, "why is america allowed to kill them. is it because we are jews that they complain when we do it?" man i should do this the next time i still candy from my little sister. i'll kick her in the shine, and then when she cries, i'll call her a racists family hater.

KILLERS ARE KILLER, EVEN IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE JEWISH!

Dear friends,
just letting you all know, I'm fighting for Palestine's
freedom from agression by e-mail to senators, congressmen , Mr. Powell and even Sharon.
Good luck to all of you!

Yesterday a 18 month baby died in a cowardly attack on the elderly and baby's near a ice cream shop. I hope Palastine and arafat feels good about this and understands the military importance of killing baby's and thier grandmothers..... Muslims say their religion is based on peace and love and I see it in chechnya, pakistan, somolia , indionesia, croatia and of course the middle east,all countries more newsworthly for its bloodshed then achivements. In fact, there is so much muslim peace and love in this world its amazing the people of earth haven't wiped itself clean of these babykillers earlier. Get it through your head, a religion is a religion not a race. A race may have a common religion but those who participate in, lets say satanism, ARENT a race of satanists, therefore this couldnt be racist. Shame on anyone that justifies dead babys and innocents on 50 years of history. (note to Palastinians, in an effort to clean up how the world looks at ones religion dont cowardly target babys and elderly in ones "national liberation struggle")

Friend,
The struggle that contiues in the land of Canaan in the area of Palestine, is a fued between to cousins.
One is ignorant and the other is arrogant. They fight ovesomething that has already been decided, but one of them refuses to accept God's will. And that is why they are have always been despised and not trusted to this day.
I give to you evidence on the matter.
Genesis 17: 1-10
Deuteronomy 21: 15-17
Galatians 3: 16-23
Galatians 4: 22-31
Read these passages carefully ,and then you will understand the great injustice ,one cousin inflicts on the other.
F.N.

Sorry, that would be "two" cousins.
F.N.

the palestinians weren't celebrating the deaths that occured sept. 11. but felt some type of justice toward american policy that inhibits their own freedom.

I would be cheering too if I found out that the country whom has been responsible for the chaos and deaths in my country was bombed. Don't tell me that AMericans are innocent. They kill millions of muslims every year and you are going to sit there and talk about Sept 11 being a sad story. You haven't seen sad till you see the kids of Palestine running around with one arm or running aroung crying because their family was killed by the American Army. SO don't give me your American Bull shit.

I would be cheering too if I found out that the country whom has been responsible for the chaos and deaths in my country was bombed. Don't tell me that AMericans are innocent. They kill millions of muslims every year and you are going to sit there and talk about Sept 11 being a sad story. You haven't seen sad till you see the kids of Palestine running around with one arm or running aroung crying because their family was killed by the American Army. SO don't give me your American Bull shit.

I would be cheering too if I found out that the country whom has been responsible for the chaos and deaths in my country was bombed. Don't tell me that AMericans are innocent. They kill millions of muslims every year and you are going to sit there and talk about Sept 11 being a sad story. You haven't seen sad till you see the kids of Palestine running around with one arm or running aroung crying because their family was killed by the American Army. SO don't give me your American Bull shit.

The above comment sounds like a pro-Israeli trying to smear Palestinians.

What are you talking about....Cheering Oh yea...but if you look at that clip you'll findout its the same clip that was shown during the first gulf war when Iraq fired few Scuds on Israel...yea....thats the same clip!

I agree with you...I even Noticed that the Pro-Israelis on a HUGE mission to spread lies and more lies about the VITCTIMS the Palestinians........but Hey lotta folks are waking up!

And you are full of shit.......