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by Tony Ryals
Friday Aug 4th, 2006 1:47 PM
All Jews aren't Semites and all Semites aren't Jews,
And Christian Moslem and Jewish fundamentalists are just bad news,
It doesn't matter whose their savior, .
Language and religion are both just a learned behavior,

The following was written in 1995 mainly about a week before the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.
The last few lines were written upon hearing the news of that assassination.:

Euro Judeo Christianity


Tony Ryals

Millions of Jews in Europe died,
Only by fools or fascists would that be denied,
This twentieth century high-tech genocide,
But the historians and governments story-don't believe
them-they lied,
Just blame it on their pseudo-Christian pride,
Because the Christians and Allies who won the war,
Rewrote history to separate Christianity from the Nazi horror,
They'll tell you the Nazis weren't Christians,
That they worshipped astrology and Norse pagan religions,
This should upset many modern Germans,
Who must still pay taxes for their Christian sermons,
But no Norse pagans held a grudge or accused the Jews of killing Thor,
So Christian fundamentalists should 't defame the Norse gods anymore,
And for many years of European history,
It was Christian aristocrats who worshipped astrology,
Saint Dominic de Guzman of Dominican fame,
In the 13th century put all heretics to flame,
And the Catholic Church is still proud of his name,
With their barbaric old Testament theology,
They were just Nazis without the technology,
And when the Russians unleashed their pogroms,
It was again Christian mythology that drove their
psycho-neural programs,
I guess I could go on and on,
The list of atrocities is pretty Iong,
Then we get to World War II,
And we all cry , 'Hitler killed the Jew ',
It wasn't a Christian me and it wasn't a Christian you,
But Hitler was once a little boy,
In Christian Austria he searched for joy,
And asked his mom to buy him a toy,
It was there he learned to hate,
That the Jews were going to run his state,
So his culture sealed his fate,
You should face it Fundamentalist Christians,
It was Hitler - not Jesus - who died for your sins,
And Jesus who really was a Jew,
Would be amazed and outraged by you,
The German Jews lived a mythology too,
That aided and abetted this false Christian view,
They thought that they were Semites too,
They couldn't separate their religion,
From a true historic vision,
They took literally what their religion told them,
And just said, " Next year in Jerusalem",
So German Jews just to inform ya,
Your historic home was probably Khazaria,
It was probably in the Caucasus,
It's all just a big historic mess,
All Jews aren't Semites and all Semites aren't Jews,
And Christian Moslem and Jewish fundamentalists are just bad news,
It doesn't matter whose their savior, .
Language and religion are both just a learned behavior,
Now the Christian fundamentalists support the Jewish state,
Why? Because they hope it will bring about
Armageddon - they can't wait,
Just chalk up this apocalyptic Judeo-Christian vision,
To man and his confused religious symbols in collision.
by Mike Novack
Saturday Aug 5th, 2006 5:03 AM
You've read one book (or maybe not even read it) by a person who though Hungarian had a very big political ax to grind.

So here's you homework, Tony. Do a littel more research. Surely, with the resources of the internet now available you ought to be able to get sources on Hungarian history. Like WHEN did the Magyars arrive in Europe? Who were they, and more important, who were the overlords (or maybe just a military caste among the Magyars) who led this invasion -- so when did THEY arrive in Europe.

While you are at that, look up the history of the Jews in Germany, when THEY were established in the Rhineland for example. Compare these dates.

As for where the European Jews came from. Well North Africa is one place (the origianl invasion of Spain weas a joint Moslem-Jewish operation). At the expulsions from the Iberian peninsula at the end of the 15th Century these ended up all over Europe from Holland to Italy to Greece to what was Yugoslavia (and yes, some into what is now Israel). They speak "Ladino" (related to "middle Spanish"). There was also an eastern dispersal from the settelements in Germany and these Jews spoke "Yiddish" (related to middle high German).

The Jews of Europe (except for those of Hungary) did NOT speak a language related to Magyar (Hungarian).

But perhaps an even more important part of the homework would be some elementary Anthropology -- how people count kinship in different cultures. Now most European peoples use "collateral descent" aka "blood" meaning you are equally descended from mother and father and so can be 1/2 something, 1/4 something, and so on down to trivial amounts. Other peoples of this planet do something very different. Unilineal descent means that descent is figured either from mother or father (matrilineal or patrilineal) and there is no such thing as being 1/2. Almost all peoples have "adoption" whereby children are considered to have new parents and be descended frrom them irregardless of biological reality.

Are you REALLY willing to take the positions "I, or my culture, gets to define kinship rules for everybody" (blood -- other ways of counting kin are invalid) and "adopted children are NOT the legitimate children of their adoptive parents" (adoption is an invalid process). Because unless you are willing to take these positions then there is no point to your argument about "who are the Jews" EVEN WERE IT TRUE. The Jews follow "matrilineal descent" and you cannot be a "convert" without having been "adopted" (it's part of the conversion ceremony)
by Tony Ryals
Wednesday Aug 9th, 2006 6:55 PM
well mr.novack my purpose for writing 'euro-judeo-christianity' was not to discuss every aspect of european christian and jewish history much less the 'magyars'. ¿ capicse ? also i did not even get into the subject of sephardic jews,who would more than likely have connections to a Middle East origen unlike the ashkenazim,now did i ?

the hungarian 'jew' arthur koestler did write 'thirteenth tribe' but he was not the first to argue against semitic origens for the ashkenazim. in fact i believe even that explanation is not adequate to understand the eastern european jewish origens. yes i believe it was probably khazaria that was the original home to what became the eastern european jews who converted to judaism around the 9th century before their own 'diaspora' caused by the mongolians in the 13th century who would invade and hold territory at least as far west as hungary.

and so yes the hungarian jews like their christian counterparts share not only their common language but also a common genetic heritage from those invading mongols.the hungarian jew is genetically more like his fellow hungarians than to say russian or german or other jews. but why ?
rape and plunder left a mixed cultural and linguistic heritage.and i further believe german jews are
more like germans than they are like other jews in other countries. why ? because the dominant german and christian men of german lands raped the jewish women just as occured in hungary or any other country with a minority jewish population that you can cite.all jews have genetic similarities to the majority populations they lived with because the majority population always takes advantage of their majority population to subjugate and most often rape the minority population's women. and no i am not saying i like the idea only that it is historic fact.

so i believe jews are the product not only of their religion from wherever they brought it but also a product of rape. this probably explains why a patrirchical society,judaism,adopted a strategy of
making their women the 'carriers' of judaism.they could not as a minority fight off the christian rapists of the european countries they inhabited as minorities and so chose to make the jewish mother the 'proof' a baby was a 'jew'. this in my opinion is beyond 'good or bad' and is just the facts.

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