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5/6 - Help Stop Killing Dogs For Food in S. Korea! - Come to SF Korean Trade Expo
Please join us at the Radisson on Friday!
The vast majority of Korean citizens have never eaten dog meat and wish to see the horrific practice banned for good. Please help IDA educate attendees at the Korean Trade Expo about the Korean Government's cruel plans.
What: Outreach Against Dog Meat
When: Friday, May 6th from 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.
Where: The Radisson Miyako Hotel, 1625 Post Street (at Laguna), San Francisco
The vast majority of Korean citizens have never eaten dog meat and wish to see the horrific practice banned for good. Please help IDA educate attendees at the Korean Trade Expo about the Korean Government's cruel plans.
What: Outreach Against Dog Meat
When: Friday, May 6th from 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.
Where: The Radisson Miyako Hotel, 1625 Post Street (at Laguna), San Francisco
Outreach Against Dog Meat at Korean Trade Expo
As we have reported before, South Korea's Ministry for the Office of Government Policy Coordination has proposed a scheme to hygienically control - and effectively legalize - the dog meat trade in their country. IDA strongly opposes this plan, which is supported only by the relatively small number of Koreans who buy and sell dog meat. The vast majority of Korean citizens have never eaten dog meat and wish to see the horrific practice banned for good.
Please help IDA educate attendees at the Korean Trade Expo about the Korean Government's cruel plans. IDA will be at the Expo to gather signatures on postcards and hand out leaflets urging people to urge the Government to enforce laws and call off the plans to hygienically control dog meat. Please join other IDA volunteers for this important outreach opportunity.
What: Outreach Against Dog Meat
When: Friday, May 6th from 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.
Where: The Radisson Miyako Hotel, 1625 Post Street (at Laguna), San Francisco
E-mail alicia [at] idausa.org or call (415) 388-9641 ext. 228 if you have any questions. To learn more about the Korean dog meat trade and what you can do to stop it, visit http://www.idausa.org/korean_frame.html .
As we have reported before, South Korea's Ministry for the Office of Government Policy Coordination has proposed a scheme to hygienically control - and effectively legalize - the dog meat trade in their country. IDA strongly opposes this plan, which is supported only by the relatively small number of Koreans who buy and sell dog meat. The vast majority of Korean citizens have never eaten dog meat and wish to see the horrific practice banned for good.
Please help IDA educate attendees at the Korean Trade Expo about the Korean Government's cruel plans. IDA will be at the Expo to gather signatures on postcards and hand out leaflets urging people to urge the Government to enforce laws and call off the plans to hygienically control dog meat. Please join other IDA volunteers for this important outreach opportunity.
What: Outreach Against Dog Meat
When: Friday, May 6th from 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.
Where: The Radisson Miyako Hotel, 1625 Post Street (at Laguna), San Francisco
E-mail alicia [at] idausa.org or call (415) 388-9641 ext. 228 if you have any questions. To learn more about the Korean dog meat trade and what you can do to stop it, visit http://www.idausa.org/korean_frame.html .
For more information:
http://www.idausa.org/korean_frame.html .
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did you ever think about that this is a CULTURAL practice, and that CULTURALLY it isn't wrong? i'm a vegan, but i'm not an idiot. not all cultures see eating dogs as wrong. just like in india eating cows is seen as wrong, but in the u.s. it isn't. this is called CULTURE; take an anthropology class and learn that not all CULTURES are the same. i put CULTURE in caps in case you forgot what i was talking about while you're in your self-rightous, euro-centric, liberal reformist anger at me for pointing out the fact that your views on this "horrific practice" are CULTURALLY insensitive, as well as prejudiced.
this whole thing is naive, vaguely racist and misguided ... what a small priority thing to focus on right now ... and, what if people do enjoy eating dogs? We slaughter tons of animals for eating here in the US, and maybe worse off, we treat them like crap when they are living (cages, torture, chickens wallowing in the crap of all the chickens above them, overcrowding ... etc. etc. ) ... so, focus on factory farming conditions in US ... or the giant refugee crisis in Sudan ... or the 140 million US workers that don't have health insurance ... focus ... focus people, before it's too late.
Why is there this assumtion that if you care about something like animal rights and work for that cause you must not care about other causes. I have enought compassion in my heart to work for animal, earth, and human rights. Why is culture and tradition always used as an excuse for cruelty? Couldn't you use this excuse for rape, slavery, and murder? Some cultural traditions are cruel and should be ended. Why can't people see the connection between the way we treat animals and the way we treat the enviroment, workers, etc. "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields." --Leo
Tolstoy
Tolstoy
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by bella garbanzo Thursday, May. 05, 2005 at 1:57 PM
Why is there this assumtion that if you care about something like animal rights and work for that cause you must not care about other causes. I have enought compassion in my heart to work for animal, earth, and human rights. Why is culture and tradition always used as an excuse for cruelty? Couldn't you use this excuse for rape, slavery, and murder? Some cultural traditions are cruel and should be ended. Why can't people see the connection between the way we treat animals and the way we treat the enviroment, workers, etc. "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields." --Leo
Tolstoy]
. . . . for Americans to target Koreans for their willingness to eat dogs, without any apparent understanding of the American imperial role in the country over the last 50 years, massacres of workers and students, rapes by soldiers and support for repressive governments through the stationing of troops there, displays a profound ignorance and political ineptitude, and, frankly, a kind of arrogance
after all, there's a reason why, according to Chalmers Johnson, that South Korea is, along with Greece, one of the two democracies that are the most viscerally hostile to the US
furthermore, has anyone even bothered to investigate how Koreans started eating dogs in the first place? I don't much about Korean history, but I wouldn't ignore the possibility that poverty and exploitation over the centuries by China, Japan and Russia might have had something to do with it
I don't know, but I'd at least look into it before I developed a public strategy for challenging Koreans on the practice, after all, an approach that reveals that you actually know something about Koreans and their historical experience might be a little more effective
but, then, maybe,. this isn't about Koreans, it's about appealing to the biases of a domestic, US audience?
--Richard
by bella garbanzo Thursday, May. 05, 2005 at 1:57 PM
Why is there this assumtion that if you care about something like animal rights and work for that cause you must not care about other causes. I have enought compassion in my heart to work for animal, earth, and human rights. Why is culture and tradition always used as an excuse for cruelty? Couldn't you use this excuse for rape, slavery, and murder? Some cultural traditions are cruel and should be ended. Why can't people see the connection between the way we treat animals and the way we treat the enviroment, workers, etc. "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields." --Leo
Tolstoy]
. . . . for Americans to target Koreans for their willingness to eat dogs, without any apparent understanding of the American imperial role in the country over the last 50 years, massacres of workers and students, rapes by soldiers and support for repressive governments through the stationing of troops there, displays a profound ignorance and political ineptitude, and, frankly, a kind of arrogance
after all, there's a reason why, according to Chalmers Johnson, that South Korea is, along with Greece, one of the two democracies that are the most viscerally hostile to the US
furthermore, has anyone even bothered to investigate how Koreans started eating dogs in the first place? I don't much about Korean history, but I wouldn't ignore the possibility that poverty and exploitation over the centuries by China, Japan and Russia might have had something to do with it
I don't know, but I'd at least look into it before I developed a public strategy for challenging Koreans on the practice, after all, an approach that reveals that you actually know something about Koreans and their historical experience might be a little more effective
but, then, maybe,. this isn't about Koreans, it's about appealing to the biases of a domestic, US audience?
--Richard
Does it strike anyone as odd that you Americans think it right to tell other countries what they can and can't eat? Americans are so arrogent, and this is yet another example of Americans thinking they have the right to tell the world what to do.
How would you like it if South Korea said you can't fish, or some other animal because their culture looked down on the practice? You Americans have too much to worry about as it is with your own country. Stay inside USA's borders and deal with your own crap, and leave other countries alone!
How would you like it if South Korea said you can't fish, or some other animal because their culture looked down on the practice? You Americans have too much to worry about as it is with your own country. Stay inside USA's borders and deal with your own crap, and leave other countries alone!
it's about dogs - putting the well-being of this non-human species ahead of such human intellectual concepts as cultural diversity.
yep, animal rights challenges anthropocentrism - animal rights may even allow one to ask what is more important - the wellbeing of a non-human species, or deference to the beliefs of any of many subgroupings of the billions of members of the species homo sapiens
some folks may think culture and/or ethnicity are more important than the well-being of non-human species. those of us who challenge anthropocentrism have moved beyond this view.
for the dogs kenneled in Korea, the whales hunted by the Makah (and Japanese and Icelandic whalers), the bears in China used as living gall bladder "juice" donors, the chickens used in cockfights in the us, transcending anthropocentrism is good news, indeed.
yep, animal rights challenges anthropocentrism - animal rights may even allow one to ask what is more important - the wellbeing of a non-human species, or deference to the beliefs of any of many subgroupings of the billions of members of the species homo sapiens
some folks may think culture and/or ethnicity are more important than the well-being of non-human species. those of us who challenge anthropocentrism have moved beyond this view.
for the dogs kenneled in Korea, the whales hunted by the Makah (and Japanese and Icelandic whalers), the bears in China used as living gall bladder "juice" donors, the chickens used in cockfights in the us, transcending anthropocentrism is good news, indeed.
So wait, if this were about young women being sold into the sex trade you would still throw the same arguments against protesting it? It seems that animal rights is just a 'stupid idea' to most 'activists'. And almost all of the work in fighting against the legalized dog meat bill is being done by Koreans in Korea. for example: http://www.animalkorea.org We should not stand in solidarity with them? For the record I am against eating animals of any kind, but that idea usually makes people who do very defensive, guilty and threatened, as it makes them have to justify thier complicity in the system of cruelty, which is what I feel is the bottom line here.
You Euro-Americans forced Asians to buy and use opium. You divided and conquered Korea, into North and South, in YOUR cold war battlefield. You force your consumeristic crap onto us, reinforced by the brainwashing of Hollywood. And now, with your rampant diet of obesity, you tell us what we eat is wrong.
YANKEE GO HOME!
But we can see all the homeless on your streets. You are *compassionate* to animals, but hundreds of thousands rot and self-destruct on your streets in homelessness. And then you hypocrites tell others to emulate YOU. So, should Koreans let humans decay on the streets, yet not eat animals? Should we build Walmarts, yet deny workers healthcare? Should we declare war on people who otherwise did nothing to you, just so your hegemony doesn't go unchallenged? Should we just goose step with your neo-cons, be they racists or judgemental animal rights activists?
LISTEN WHITEY! Korean's have whatever gains they have because of a fighting working class. You haven't since the 19th century. You are a bunch of comformists, at least since the 1960s, who stand by and passively watch TV as your country rapes, pillages and destroys the world.
THINK TWICE ABOUT DENOUNCING ANOTHER CULTURE, IT MAY FORCE YOU TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
Mr. Kim
YANKEE GO HOME!
But we can see all the homeless on your streets. You are *compassionate* to animals, but hundreds of thousands rot and self-destruct on your streets in homelessness. And then you hypocrites tell others to emulate YOU. So, should Koreans let humans decay on the streets, yet not eat animals? Should we build Walmarts, yet deny workers healthcare? Should we declare war on people who otherwise did nothing to you, just so your hegemony doesn't go unchallenged? Should we just goose step with your neo-cons, be they racists or judgemental animal rights activists?
LISTEN WHITEY! Korean's have whatever gains they have because of a fighting working class. You haven't since the 19th century. You are a bunch of comformists, at least since the 1960s, who stand by and passively watch TV as your country rapes, pillages and destroys the world.
THINK TWICE ABOUT DENOUNCING ANOTHER CULTURE, IT MAY FORCE YOU TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
Mr. Kim
The problem here is that barely a dent has been made in local treatment of animals. When you drive long distances to aim attention at the Makah catching 1 whale (when the navy kills lots of whales with sonar) or at Koreans, or chinese eating practices, which is all contingent on saying that eating a dog is worse than the eating of smart pigs on Jack in the Box burgers --- Then you are definitely displaying a cultural bias that says that outsiders meat use is more of a problem than domestic.
Thinking rationally, the order that animal rights issues should be addressed should go:
1. domestic abandoned pets in shelters (this hasn't been solved
2. bad treatment and pollution from domestic meat industry
3. very high volume of production in domestic industry
Medical testing and weird novelty animal use such as frogs in chinatown should rank way way below because so many fewer animals are used, or there can be a purpose compared to these other uses, and the more significant problems haven't been solved yet.
I recommend a campaign for eating meat once a week like people used to during the 1930-1950s. Nonvegetarians could embrace it for health and environmental reasons, and this has the potential for reducing the volume of chickens/cows produced to the same extent as gaining a huge fraction of vegetarians.
Thinking rationally, the order that animal rights issues should be addressed should go:
1. domestic abandoned pets in shelters (this hasn't been solved
2. bad treatment and pollution from domestic meat industry
3. very high volume of production in domestic industry
Medical testing and weird novelty animal use such as frogs in chinatown should rank way way below because so many fewer animals are used, or there can be a purpose compared to these other uses, and the more significant problems haven't been solved yet.
I recommend a campaign for eating meat once a week like people used to during the 1930-1950s. Nonvegetarians could embrace it for health and environmental reasons, and this has the potential for reducing the volume of chickens/cows produced to the same extent as gaining a huge fraction of vegetarians.
The focus on dogs over other animal by most of the world (not just the US or the West) mixed with the eating of dog being a luxury that almost nobody except foreign tourists engage in actually makes thisa pretty viable goal. While many Koreans are offended when Americans bring up the eating of dog its usualy out of knowledge that its being brought up to dehumanize Koreans and has nothing to do with anything believing in a right to eat dog. I would guess most of the comments on here that claim to be from people from Korea (like Mr Kim doesnt sound like a fake name to post under), since a campaign to stop the eating of dog is probably less offensive than when Americans bringing this up without an actual demand.
Priority wise this does seem like a not very important goal for animal rights activists but focusing on luxury foods that offend people isnt the worst idea in the world since it allows a movement against meat eating to lock in some small gains that wont backslide (unlike broader campaigns against meat eating). The dangers is of course that it comes across as "Westerners imposing their values on Koreans" which is one reason I feel uneasy about supporting these protests. But the strange truth is that offense at the eating of dog isnt a Western ideas being imposed on Koreans and in a way that view itself plays into some pretty bad stereotypes (most Koreans are just offended about the idea of eating dogs). There is no "Western culture"; the horrible consumer culture that homogenizes the world didnt come just from the "West", its a mixture of things taken from a lot of different cultures. Life in Korea and the US today are much more similar to each other than they are to either country just 100 years ago, but that doesnt mean Korea is "Westernized" just that both countries have moved towards a common consumer culture, that has appropriated and watered down aspects of hundred of cultures.
Priority wise this does seem like a not very important goal for animal rights activists but focusing on luxury foods that offend people isnt the worst idea in the world since it allows a movement against meat eating to lock in some small gains that wont backslide (unlike broader campaigns against meat eating). The dangers is of course that it comes across as "Westerners imposing their values on Koreans" which is one reason I feel uneasy about supporting these protests. But the strange truth is that offense at the eating of dog isnt a Western ideas being imposed on Koreans and in a way that view itself plays into some pretty bad stereotypes (most Koreans are just offended about the idea of eating dogs). There is no "Western culture"; the horrible consumer culture that homogenizes the world didnt come just from the "West", its a mixture of things taken from a lot of different cultures. Life in Korea and the US today are much more similar to each other than they are to either country just 100 years ago, but that doesnt mean Korea is "Westernized" just that both countries have moved towards a common consumer culture, that has appropriated and watered down aspects of hundred of cultures.
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