Merry Christmas, Israeli style (by Latuff)

You Anti-Semitic bastard; always blaming Israel! It was ACCIDENT!!! They said that they're sorry and they going to have an investigation!!!

It's depressing, isn't it?

Santa Claus and the Holocaust

Observers of the debate about the Holocaust may come away with some grotesque misimpressions about Holocaust Revisionism from the postings that appear on the Internet, pro and con. Here is what Holocaust Revisionism is and is not:

1 - Revisionists object to the terminology "THE Holocaust," which by implication suggests it was unique, monumental, over-arching, perhaps even the central historical event of our century if not epoch. In fact there have been many holocausts over the centuries, a good portion of them in our own Twentieth century. The Jewish Holocaust is merely one of them.

From the point of view of the world as a whole it is far from the greatest
or most terrible, Hollywood to the contrary notwithstanding. A marked improvement in both accuracy and objectivity can be achieved if the term "Jewish Holocaust" is substituted for the term "THE Holocaust."

2 - Having stated the previous, it is therefore obvious that Revisionists do not "deny" the Jewish Holocaust as their critics claim. (Though of course it is understandable why those critics assert this; if, in a debate about the shape of the earth, you can successfully pin on someone the label "flat-earther," you've scored big points even if what they say is very far from the absurdity of such a posture.) Revisionists are, in fact, Holocaust DIMINISHERS, not deniers. They are questioners about what they believe are significant exaggerations in the Holocaust tale, and they are critics of the view that somehow this historical event is beyond discussion on pain of being placed in the category of child-molester or worse, shunned by society, even fined and imprisoned by some so-called free countries in the western world.

3 - Revisionists do not deny that there was much Jewish suffering during WW II, that there were many Jews who had property confiscated wrongfully, that many Jews died of disease or starvation in terrible conditions or were killed, that there were terrible brutalities and atrocities committed against Jews by Germans and others. None of this do Revisionists deny. Revisionists do diminish the impact of these facts by pointing out that WWII was the bloodiest, deadliest, most atrocity-ridden conflict in the history of man and that there was criminal behavior on all sides. One need merely mention Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the deadly carpet bombing of German and Japanese working class living areas, the Soviet rape of Germany in their 1945 advance, the treatment of German civilians and German POW's after the war. One could go on almost ad infinitum in this recitation of atrocities. Fifty million - some say sixty million - died as a result of the war. Was there more criminal behavior on one side than the other? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Many revisionists would probably tend to say no, because:

4 - Contrary to Holocaust Mythology there was no attempt by Nazis, or anyone else, to exterminate the Jews. There was an attempt, largely successful in the areas controlled by the Axis, to expel the Jews from Europe. In the context of the 1990's it was a terrible undertaking. In a different context, the context of European history over the last two millennia, the expulsion of the Jews from this region or that region was not uncommon. Historically there seems to be something about the Jews that brings forth a plenitude of animosity on the part of people amongst whom they live.

5 - What is the basis for Revisionists asserting there was no attempted genocide of the Jews? The linch-pin in this argument is simply that there were no gas chambers. None. Zero. Nada. There is NO evidence of gas chambers that an objective person can find credible. There is growing credible evidence that what purport to be the remains of gas chambers at Auschwitz, and elsewhere, are frauds - less believable than Potemkin villages. There are NO documents, NO orders, NO planning, NO blueprints, NO photographs, NO autopsies - NOTHING that is definitively or even reasonably credible to support gas chambers. It is not believable that an enterprise as massive as the extermination through gassing of six million people in two or three years in a chaotic environment would not leave behind some physical evidence, some documentary remains. And yet there isn't any. As Professor Arno Mayer, the Princeton historian (who is Jewish), has said, "Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable." He wouldn't make such an admission if any credible evidence existed. And he was writing in the late 1980's.

6 - What does exist - as Revisionists are as aware as anyone - are, by the tens or even hundreds of thousands, testimonies and confessions. Many, if not most, of the testimonies are preposterous, preternatural, not in keeping with the laws of the physical world. The confessions (were) typically made by persons seeking desperately to curry favor with their captors or their jailers, to save their lives and the lives of their families in the prostrate world of utterly defeated Nazi Germany. Most are "coerced" confessions, as in "sign this or we'll pull some more of your fingernails out. Or we'll turn your wife and children over to the Russians."

7. Also existing are testimonies of survivors of the concentration camps, of camp personnel, of nearby civilians who had some connection or other with the camps, testimonies which completely contradict the notion that massive extermination programs were ongoing. All of these testimonies are of course discounted and denigrated because they do not further Holocaustery. And then there are the aerial photographs made during the war by allied fly-overs of Auschwitz and other camps which lend no support whatever to the Holocaust story.

8 - Why would so many people lie? is the question invariably put to Revisionists. Some lie because it is quite profitable. There is no business like Shoah Business, said one Jewish observer some years ago in a candid moment. Others lie because it is helpful to Israel, or for any of thousands of other perfectly understandable reasons. Lying, or mythologizing, is a common human trait according to Joseph Campbell. Many others among the testifiers are not lying. They believe sincerely in what they proclaim about the gas chambers, about having seen them, about having seen the victims, about having seen the smoke rise from the stacks, etc. etc. They are "honest and true believers" (as Elizabeth Loftus would put it) in the myth because it is important to them and to the Jewish people that the myth survive. The Holocaust has become the unifying myth of modern Jewry, as we all know. Even Jews who believe in the Holocaust will admit this if they are honest. Some people believe in Jesus, some in Mohammed, some in the efficacy of crystals, some in the Jewish Holocaust Myth. Revisionists for the most part are non-believers in mythology.

9 - There were no gas chambers but there were many Jews who died or were killed. They were executed by the thousands for opposing German advances toward the east, for partisan activities connected with that opposition, for numerous other reasons. Jews by the tens of thousands died in the concentration camps of deadly epidemics of disease, they died in the latter stages of the war of starvation when Germany was collapsing. (Professor Mayer, a rare historian, has admitted many more Jews died this way than were executed.) How many died during the war? A lot. Most Revisionists would probably say half a million, perhaps as many as a million. But not six million. Too many survived the war for that number to be anything but part of the Jewish Holocaust Myth. If a million did die it was but two per cent of the total slaughter of World War II. That's the reality of the Jewish Holocaust. Two per cent. 98% of the blood bath of World War II involved other than Jews. Why, Revisionists ask, is almost the sole concentration today on Jewish deaths? Why has the Jewish Holocaust become "the" event of the 1930'S and 1940's around which all others revolve including even World War II itself?

10 - The truth about what Revisionists claim, in summary, is this:


1) The Jewish Holocaust is but one of many Holocausts even in the twentieth century;

2) There were no gas chambers and no attempt by the Germans to exterminate Jewry, expulsion being very different from extermination;

3) The common figure of six million is too large by 500% at least;

4) World War II was a slaughterhouse of unprecedented proportions for everyone involved - not just Jews, who made up perhaps 2% of the total fatalities.


In 50 or 100 years, when the Holocaust Myth has met its proper demise, what Revisionists believe today will be standard historical canon from which only cranks and religious zealots will dissent.

I suppose all those photos the us and canadian armies took of the concentration camps, and gas chambers, pits filled with executed jews, etc were "fake"

While seemingly flip, this cartoon actually has a very powerful message which resonates at this time of year.

Anyone who has the time should re-post it on other IndyMedia sites

and tell me how and I'll do it too.

Dear Editor,

Please consider this Op-Ed submission from the Ayn Rand Institute. For
your convenience, you can download this Op-Ed from:
http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/christmas2002.html

Why Christmas Should Be More Commercial

By Leonard Peikoff

Christmas in America is an exuberant display of human ingenuity,
capitalist productivity, and the enjoyment of life. Yet all of these are
castigated as "materialistic"; the real meaning of the holiday, we are
told, is assorted Nativity tales and altruist injunctions (e.g., love
thy neighbor) that no one takes seriously.

In fact, Christmas as we celebrate it today is a 19th-century American
invention. The freedom and prosperity of post-Civil War America created
the happiest nation in history. The result was the desire to celebrate,
to revel in the goods and pleasures of life on earth. Christmas (which
was not a federal holiday until 1870) became the leading American outlet
for this feeling.

Historically, people have always celebrated the winter solstice as the
time when the days begin to lengthen, indicating the earth's return to
life. Ancient Romans feasted and reveled during the festival of
Saturnalia. Early Christians condemned these Roman celebrations--they
were waiting for the end of the world and had only scorn for earthly
pleasures. By the fourth century, the pagans were worshipping the god of
the sun on December 25, and the Christians came to a decision: if you
can't stop 'em, join 'em. They claimed (contrary to known fact) that the
date was Jesus' birthday, and usurped the solstice holiday for their
Church.

Even after the Christians stole Christmas, they were ambivalent about
it. The holiday was inherently a pro-life festival of earthly renewal,
but the Christians preached renunciation, sacrifice, and concern for the
next world, not this one. As Cotton Mather, an 18th-century clergyman,
put it: "Can you in your consciences think that our Holy Savior is
honored by mirth? . . . Shall it be said that at the birth of our Savior
. . . we take time . . . to do actions that have much more of hell than
of heaven in them?"

Then came the major developments of 19th-century capitalism:
industrialization, urbanization, the triumph of science--all of it
leading to easy transportation, efficient mail delivery, the widespread
publishing of books and magazines, new inventions making life
comfortable and exciting, and the rise of entrepreneurs who understood
that the way to make a profit was to produce something good and sell it
to a mass market.

For the first time, the giving of gifts became a major feature of
Christmas. Early Christians denounced gift-giving as a Roman practice,
and Puritans called it diabolical. But Americans were not to be
deterred. Thanks to capitalism, there was enough wealth to make gifts
possible, a great productive apparatus to advertise them and make them
available cheaply, and a country so content that men wanted to reach out
to their friends and express their enjoyment of life. The whole country
took with glee to giving gifts on an unprecedented scale.

Santa Claus is a thoroughly American invention. There was a St. Nicholas
long ago and a feeble holiday connected with him (on December 5). In
1822, an American named Clement Clarke Moore wrote a poem about a visit
from St. Nick. It was Moore (and a few other New Yorkers) who invented
St. Nick's physical appearance and personality, came up with the idea
that Santa travels on Christmas Eve in a sleigh pulled by reindeer,
comes down the chimney, stuffs toys in the kids' stockings, then goes
back to the North Pole.

Of course, the Puritans denounced Santa as the Anti-Christ, because he
pushed Jesus to the background. Furthermore, Santa implicitly rejected
the whole Christian ethics. He did not denounce the rich and demand that
they give everything to the poor; on the contrary, he gave gifts to rich
and poor children alike. Nor is Santa a champion of Christian mercy or
unconditional love. On the contrary, he is for justice--Santa gives only
to good children, not to bad ones.

All the best customs of Christmas, from carols to trees to spectacular
decorations, have their root in pagan ideas and practices. These customs
were greatly amplified by American culture, as the product of reason,
science, business, worldliness, and egoism, i.e., the pursuit of
happiness.

America's tragedy is that its intellectual leaders have typically tried
to replace happiness with guilt by insisting that the spiritual meaning
of Christmas is religion and self-sacrifice for Tiny Tim or his
equivalent. But the spiritual must start with recognizing reality. Life
requires reason, selfishness, capitalism; that is what Christmas should
celebrate--and really, underneath all the pretense, that is what it does
celebrate. It is time to take the Christ out of Christmas, and turn the
holiday into a guiltlessly egoistic, pro-reason, this-worldly,
commercial celebration.

________________________________________________________________________

Leonard Peikoff, who founded the Ayn Rand Institute
(http://www.aynrand.org/medialink), is the foremost authority on Objectivism,
the philosophy of Ayn Rand. The Ayn Rand Institute promotes the
philosophy of Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.

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GOD BLESS LATTUF.

SHALOM, NOT SHARON.

O little town of Bethlehem, how still we see thee lie!
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep the silent stars go by.
Yet in thy dark streets shineth the everlasting Light;
The hopes and fears of all the years are met in thee tonight.





http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/o/l/olittle.htm

I hope ,
someone takes the time to post and re-post this image on EVERY IndyMedia Site: Boston, DC, Germany, Canada: EVERYWHERE !

It's a POWERFUL IMAGE!!!

Swiss non-governmental organization Aktion Kinder des Holocaust is threatening with legal charges two members from editorial staff of Independent Media Center of Switzerland, an alternative media group formed by volunteer activists, for publishing of material seems as anti-Semitic.

IMC SWITZERLAND UNDER FIRE

Swiss non-governmental organization Aktion Kinder des Holocaust is threatening with legal charges two members from editorial staff of Independent Media Center of Switzerland, an alternative media group formed by volunteer activists, for publishing of alleged anti-Semitic material.

IMC web site works on the principle of open-publishing, where readers are encouraged to post articles, opinions, images, etc. One of those readers, Brazilian political cartoonist Carlos Latuff, decided to post his serie of 7 cartoons called "We are all Palestinians" to promote International Campaign for Justice for the Victims of Sabra & Shatila.

In these images, artist compares the suffering of Palestinians to various oppressed people in history and elsewhere in the world now. Last artwork from this series shows a scene from Nazi-era Warsaw Ghetto, where a Jewish boy says "I am Palestinian". According to Latuff, "Jews from past and today´s Palestinians were/are both victims. If today was 1940, I would to say "I am Jew". But today, Palestinians are the victims, not agressors. If you are victim of opression anywhere, then you are Palestinian as well".

According to AKdH spokesman, Mr. Samuel Althof, to compare Holocaust with Israel policy towards Palestinians is anti-Semitism. A complaint was adressed to Swiss police and due restrict laws against in Switzerland, IMC web site can be closed and two of their members sued.

This made me laugh, in the midst of the awful truth. Still, I can't recall ever seeing a murdered santa before . . . and yet, it speaks volumes . . .

Thanks!

Say he was caught in the crossfire.
if that doesn't fly, say the IDF sniper mistook his candy cane for a gun.

Excellent. This will bring the absurdity of the ridiculous use of anti-semitism against legitimate debate to the forefront, and let the people see the Big Lie of Israel for themselves. I am glad that they are trying to go after Swiss IMC; it will definately blow up in their face.

That's some Palestinian dressed up like Santa in an attempt to enter into the Christian houses of worship on Christmas Eve and set-off the sticks of dynamite under that red suit. IDF got him before he killed a bunch of innocent children. Good riddance.

"O little town of Bethlehem, how still we see thee lie!
With childrens parts strewn everywhere after Hasim went bye-bye.
Tonight it was some innocent kids, tomorrow maybe a bus.
Palestinians just don't care who they kill, in them we cannot trust."

Tell them that the IDF thought he was a UN official

Palestinian Hala H. Issa cries as an Israeli occupation army bulldozer (background) destroys her house in the Palestinian West Bank city of Bethlehem on December 17, 2002, a week before Christmas!


Palestinian demonstrators destroy an Israeli army gate during a demonstration in the Palestinian West Bank City of Nablus, December 19, 2002. Angry Palestinians destroyed the gate that the Israeli occupation army built to separate the city of Nablus into two parts to prevent Palestinians from leaving the re-occupied city.


Lebanese boys hold lanterns during a pre-Christmas celebration in downtown Beirut, Lebanon, on Thursday, Dec. 19, 2002. About 150 Lebanese and Palestinian schoolchildren took part in the celebration calling for world peace.


Palestinian youths carry their stone-throwing friend Alaa Sghedi, 15-year-old, after he was shot by Israeli occupation army soldiers in the southern Gaza refugee camp of Rafah near the border with Egypt Wednesday Dec. 18, 2002. Alaa, with several bulets to his body, including one in the head, died shortly after the shooting.


An Israeli soldier grabs a Palestinian from his neck as he prevents him of getting home into the Palestinian West bank city of Nablus at the Hawara checkpoint on the outskirts of the city Wednesday, Dec. 18, 2002. Dozens of roadblocks, set up by the Israeli occupation army, have sealed Palestinian cities and prevent most people from traveling.


Relatives of Jawad Zeidan, 17-year-old, mourn over his body at the family house in the Palestinian Khan Yunis refugee camp in the southern Gaza Strip, Wednesday December 18, 2002. Zeidan was killed Tuesday night from an Israeli occupation army tank shell that hit his home.


Palestinian women collect their belongings from the remains of their destroyed houses in Rafah southern Gaza Strip Monday Dec. 16, 2002. Israeli soldiers demolished 16 Palestinian houses in the refugee camp near the Jewish settlement of Morag, leaving more than 100 people homeless. We send billions to Israel so that it can make Palestinians homeless rather than using that money for Universal Health Care in our own country.

Find some Palestinians who claim we killed the elves too: work on that angle: more Palestinian lies! You know the "blood libel" schtick.
(we didn't kill any did we?)

We killed some elves too!
Well, say we thought they were Palestinian children!

as though there is anywhere is the arab world where anyone is allowed to celebrate Christmas. Converting to Christianity it punishable by death in 3/4 of the Muslim world, and nowehre in the muslim world are christians treated with eqaulity. Why don't IMC fans protest that? They only care about "the people" when it can foward there stupid propoganda

as though there is anywhere is the arab world where anyone is allowed to celebrate Christmas. Converting to Christianity it punishable by death in 3/4 of the Muslim world, and nowehre in the muslim world are christians treated with eqaulity. Why don't IMC fans protest that? They only care about "the people" when it can foward their stupid propoganda

"They only care about "the people" when it can foward there stupid propoganda"

Yes, the murder of civilians and UN officials is just stupid propaganda. Silly us!

"Why don't IMC fans protest that?"

People protest whatever they feel like protesting - not for any one person to decide. Fact is, our tax dollars are funding the murder of civilians, so lots protest that on here. Pretty simple concept.

To "S"

1) Israel was created by Europeans because of European guilt about anti-Semitism and because of European guilt about the Holocaust. It was Christian Europeans who perpetrated Pogroms. It was Christian Europeans who perpetrated the Holocaust.

2) The Palestinians are innocent of these crimes and lived in relative harmony with Jews for centuries before the Europeans decided to help create Israel.

3) The Europeans and the Israelis victimized the Palestinians and continue to victimize them. Palestinians have been driven off their land to languish for decades in camps, their land has been stolen, their rights have been taken away by Israeli courts and Israeli occupation forces, Palestinians are subjected to collective punishment, they are killed in far greater numbers than the Israelis whose pictures we see so sympathetically in American newspapers.

4) Everybody always comments about how Israel is a democracy and none of the Arab states are. Is it democratic to deny the vote to all the Palestinians who are subject to your laws in the Occupied Territories? And on the other hand, do you think all those Arab countries would be anti-Democratic if it weren't for American manipulation to keep oil prices low?

Israel needs to create justice for the Palestinians. No justice, no peace.

Palistine originally belonged to the jews, the arabs ran it over in a blood bath during the "holey cursades" then the christians took it, then once again the arabs regained control of it.

After world war 2 europeans where going to give a place for the jews to live, what was origially slated for them got butchered and they got about 20% of the original mass, witch amounted to 3 slivers of land that wernt even connected.

When Isreal declared its independance in 1948 they connected the slivers of land. It was not untill 1964 when there was an OFFICIAL movment created(PLO) did they try to do anything about it.

You also have to ask yourself this: How come the Arab powers joined together in an attempt(3 attemps accually) to destroy Isreal. But not one of them will help the "Palistinian Cause," so what happens? The palistinians begin a campaing of terrorism sponsered by big names such as Hamass, Hezbula, Islamic Jihad, and yes even Al-Queda has decided to throw in some help because it makes them look good.

And here Yesser Arafat who is not even palistinian, but is from EGYPT, is running a corrupt "authority," and cant even follow a simple request by the UN to crack down on these groups. He cant do it because hes and IMPOTANT LEADER, should have been shot like the terrorist he is back in the 60's.

But NO Isreal is the bad guy simply because everyone in that part of the world wants nothing but their complete and total destruction.

If there wasnt an Isreal there or a progressive industreal society, it wouldnt make all those other arab countries with a screwed up idealogy as national policy look no where near as bad. But they want the world to see that they are wealthy nations with healthy economies, it just makes them look bad when a country with seemingly nowhere near the capabilities is able to make them look like imbread hillbillies that are close minded to the outside world and floating on a cloud of their on superiority.

Im not saying that palistine never existed. Im just saying that it was anexed by the ottoman empire because of its religous sinifigance and then they(them being the ottoman empire) named the region palistine and thats what it stayed untill the jew decided to annex it for themselves.