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Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels
While Israel invades town after town and tries to hide the dead from the massacre at Jenin, San Francisco residents were out in force Sunday to support these atrocities.
While there have been a few rallies for Palestine, progressives in the Bay Area have largely failed to show up in force at Palestinian rallies. ProIsrael groups have been much more organized and have been harassing radio stations and newspapers across the country through organizations like the ADL (http://www.adl.org/israel/media_watch.asp). The proIsrael crowd had a huge rally in Justin Herman Plaza Sunday April 14th.
While many in the US may see this conflict as distant, the level of right-wing support Israel receives from the US ideologically, monetarily and militarily is enormous. It is not possible to be neutral in a conflict that the US government is making worse. By not showing up and supporting the Palestinian people, one is effectively supporting the genocidal policies of the Israeli government.
The next large rally for Palestine in April 20 at 11:00 AM in Delores Park (19 th and Delores) in San Francisco.
It is crucial that as many people show up as possible or the people in these pictures will be the main voices heard:
While many in the US may see this conflict as distant, the level of right-wing support Israel receives from the US ideologically, monetarily and militarily is enormous. It is not possible to be neutral in a conflict that the US government is making worse. By not showing up and supporting the Palestinian people, one is effectively supporting the genocidal policies of the Israeli government.
The next large rally for Palestine in April 20 at 11:00 AM in Delores Park (19 th and Delores) in San Francisco.
It is crucial that as many people show up as possible or the people in these pictures will be the main voices heard:
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and one of the main web sites advertising this rally
(http://www.sfjcf.org/whoweare/news/041402rallyforisrael.shtml)
Today, there were two separate demos, one pro- and one anti-. I didn’t go to either. Personal business kept me away. I heard two TV news reports. Their estimates of both demo sizes varied by thousands of people. Since I wasn’t there to see for myself, and never in thirty years have I heard the TV get it right even once about a demo I saw for myself, I don’t know how many people turned out.
As far as I’m concerned, if you didn’t show up to at least one of these demos, you are not a progressive. Shame on you. You should have been there. What’s the matter, you think the world is going to save itself?
Fortunately, you can redeem yourself. Start Saturday. Get off your ass and into the street. Join the Carnival Against Carnage, at 19th and Dolores at 11AM.
A progressive missing out on a possible opportunity for mischief...What is this world coming to!!
Chris Drater
Guess he wasn't perfect.
Maybee Israelis are naughty people; guilty for the sins of their ancestors in taking over that part of the world, but they don't deserve to be blown into smithereens any more than a Palestinian civilian does or a white Zimbabwean does. And, please, don't give me any nonsense about their being the moral equivalent of Nazis: if they were, not only would there be no Palestinians, there would be no Arabs. They certainly have the military power to take over the whole region.
-Lupo
-Lupo
Fry the IDF!
Ana B. also says, "Another good sign was a golda Meir's quote "There will be no peace in the Middle East until Arabs will start loving their children more then they hate Jews". --- it's a good sign if you're a f-cking racist. It's unbelievable that ANYBODY could claim a sign that claims Arabs don't love their children and are a bunch of anti-semites is "good." Get real.. look at the historic oppression of jews and learn a lesson. That's what history is supposed to be good for - that the mistakes and atrocities are not repeated. End the racist policies of the Israeli government and get out of the Occupied Territories. The Palestinians are asking for a state on merely 22% percent of historic Palestine, and yet there are people like those fascists at the pro-Israel rally who are goading on further incursions into Palestinian land.
Another thing -- the Jewish settlers aren't just a group of benign villagers. They're colonizers, often racist and often violent. If they were just seeking to live peacefully with the Palestinians, that would be a whole other story. But they're not. They have access to a disproportionate amount of the resources in the territories and are rabid Zionists who have a claim to all of Palestine for the state of Israel. They're there to perpetuate the continued oppression and disspossesion of the Palestinian people. You're lying to yourself and everybody else when you claim otherwise.
I'm a jew and a ardent anti-Zionist. Get the hell out of the occupied territories!! All Palestinians should have the right of return. It's absurd that jews from L.A. (or wherever) have the "right of return" to a land they've never been to, while people kicked off their land can't go back. There's not moral justification for this racist policy.
The real enemy is the Illuminati.
Although PA only holds 22% of historic Palestine, Arab people hold omst of the Middle East; there is 22 Arab states, by the way. On the other hand, there is no such thing as a historic Palestinian, only Arabs living in Palestine. Again, look through history books and try to figure out just when Arabs of the West Bank desided to be Palestinians. And then deside if they actually have a claim to nationality -- they are generic Arab people.
Congratulation on your anti-Zionist Jewish identity hope you'll make friends, esp. emong the baby boomers.
As far as "occupation" of West Bank and alleged massacares --- you'd think that in a city of 13,ooo which Jenin is, they would know by know who is dead and who is alive. And if people are talking of mass grave, then they must know where they are, otherwise they are simply not reliiable sorces. Their culture and folklore still need to be studies, but as culture and folklore only.
But EUROPEAN JEWS backed by England and then the United States have absolutely no right to come and steal land through ethnic cleansing. This is what they have done and are doing.
Apologists for Israeli war crimes can call the rest of us anti-Semites all they want. We are motivated by respect for all human life, not a fanatic belief that we are some chosen people exempted from any standard of human rights because we were oppressed decades ago.
Israel will never know peace until the day it falls.
Don't forget: Israel sold US nuclear secrets (stolen by its spies in our goverment) to the Soviet Union during the Cold War, that's how much Israel loves the US. There is ample proof -- they still want spy Jonathan Pollard freed. Look his name up some time.
Like the Nazis, the Israelis are motivated by a doctrine of supremacy. Some Israelis on this site even seem to hint that Israel might somehow destroy the United States if we do not stick with their agenda. Ultimately, US citizens must turn against Israel and, by cutting off economic and military support, help crush the Occupation.
start here: http://www.boycottisraeligoods.org
As for BurningMan -- I'm glad to see that your valuation of non-Jews' lives over those of Jews has been exposed. Anti-Semitism is a real problem and as much as you try to devalue Jewish lives and claim that Jews have no origins in the Middle East before 1948 and are all White and are there for "colonialist oppressor reasons" history does not fit neatly into your pidgeon holes. Israel was the historic home of Jews up to Roman times, there was a Jewish presence there when Islam first emerged, during the time of the Crusades and in the 18th and 19th Centuries. There are African Jews, Middle Eastern Jews and European Jews. There were millions of Jewish refugees after World War II and no place to put them but Palestine under the restrictive immigration laws that were still in effect and given the intollerance of Eastern European nations to Jews.
Jews and Israelis want peace but they also want security -- the right to live free from the prejudice which they have been heaped with for centuries. If the Palestinians and Arabs stop hatemongering with blood libels and anti-Semitic stereotyping in their media and textbooks and are willing to recognize Israel's existence and right to freedom from fear, self-determination can happen for Palestinians in the West Bank, Arab E Jerusalem and Gaza. Peace and human rights are and must be a two way street.
And would you have us believe that Israel did not betray the US by giving nuclear secrets to the USSR during the Cold War?
Cat got your tongue?
And as for your allegations regarding nuclear secrets -- I have no such knowledge and no sense of the salience of what you said to my remarks.
Hate mongering is wrong in all forms. If I said this kind of stuff about Moslems people would rightly jump all over me. You should be ashamed!
I guess DD stands for Dumbass Dickhead.
You are not the "Israeli Spy," asshole, Jonathan Pollard is. But look at yourself! You barely need any reason to start shrieking about anti-semitism. . . you see it oozing out of the walls, don't you?
Jonathan Pollard Was No Jewish Patriot
by Eric Margolis
The Toronto Sun, Jan. 14, 1999
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The case of convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Jay Pollard has again reared its ugly head. American Jewish groups, Hollywood celebrities and Israel have renewed pressure on the besieged Clinton administration to free the man they call "the Jewish Dreyfus." Pollard has served 13 years of a life sentence.
President Bill Clinton is loath to antagonize America's politically powerful Jewish community, which strongly supports the Democratic party. But the president is also under intense pressure from the national security community not to free the Israeli spy. CIA director George Tenent has threatened to resign if Pollard is pardoned. Seven former U.S. secretaries of defence, some of whom are Jewish, also demanded Pollard remain in prison for life.
After years of denials, Israel finally admitted Pollard, a U.S. Navy civilian analyst, was not a "rogue agent," as it originally claimed, but a spy for Israeli intelligence.
Pollard caused enormous damage to U.S. national security. He gave Israel top-secret U.S. military intelligence and diplomatic codes; names of nearly 100 U.S. agents in the Mideast, who were then "turned" by Israel; NSA code-breaking techniques and targets; intercepts of foreign communications; and U.S. war-fighting plans for the Mideast.
According to CIA sources, Pollard provided Israeli intelligence with names of important American agents inside the former
Soviet Union and Russia who had supplied information on East Bloc weapons and war plans. How the agents' names were linked to the secrets they supplied - a major breach of basic intelligence security - remains a mystery.
Some of the enormously sensitive secrets stolen by Pollard may have been either sold, or bartered, by Israel to the Soviet Union.
A number of key CIA agents in the East Bloc were allegedly executed as a result of Pollard's spying. The KGB likely gained access to top-secret U.S. codes - either directly from Israel, or through spies in Israel's government. In short, Pollard's treachery caused one of the worst security disasters in modern U.S. history.
FBI investigators discovered Pollard was being directed to steal specific secret data by a senior administration official, known as "Mr. X." But the White House, unwilling to stir up a domestic political storm, quashed the investigation.
To my knowledge, three previous cases of high-ranking U.S. government officials caught passing top-secret information to Israel have been similarly hushed up. Two were senior defence department officials under Ronald Reagan, one a top state department official in a previous administration. None was prosecuted.
Pollard's defenders claim he, like French Capt. Alfred Dreyfus in 1894, is a victim of anti-Semitism in the military. They maintain Pollard was "only" spying for a friendly country, motivated solely by concern for Israel's security. These assertions are patently false. Pollard was suspected for some time of spying. Investigation was held off precisely because of fears of raising cries of anti-Semitism. Pollard took large sums of money and jewelry from Israeli agents in payment for spying.
With remarkable chutzpah, Israel, which receives up to $5 billion in U.S. aid annually, refuses to return documents stolen by Pollard, or allow U.S. intelligence to debrief Mossad agents who ran Pollard in order to learn the full extent of the disaster. While Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu kept calling for Pollard's release on "humanitarian" grounds, he refused to free prisoner of conscience Mordechai Vanunu, now serving 18 years in solitary confinement in Israel for telling a British newspaper about Israel's nuclear arsenal.
Pollard is no Jewish patriot. He is a traitor who sold out his country, and fellow intelligence officers, for money, then claimed he was being persecuted by anti-Semites.
Victim he is not. To the contrary, Pollard is a poster boy for anti-Semitism. His treason unfairly exposes all American Jews to hate, and accusations of doubtful loyalty.
Jonathan Pollard is a traitor of the worst kind - not a second Dreyfus - and should stay in prison.
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/unity.htm
Shame on you for hatemongering. You have become what you claim to despise and are blind to your own vitrolic bigotry. If any objective observer looks at this thread there is more than ample evidence of Anti-Semitism that some of you so obviously harbor. Shame!
As a scoundrelous patriot, I propose that the entire US military budget for Israel this year be diverted to the Palestinians.