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So now the "disenchanted youth" shall fight?

by ravah
So now the "allready disenchanted youth" Shall fight your war?
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by ravah
I don't seem to understand how people seem to think that the alienated youth in this country will defend this country all the sudden? As I walk down the street I get the prejudice looks as if they (most americans) Allready know we will not fight thier war.

And, who are they going to find to hire all these extra security people? Where are they going to find 227 new firefighters and police officers? Do they honestly think that after they ignored the culture of the american youth that all the youth will defend them? Maybe 2 out of 400 will. Mostly because they will succumb to the brainwashing of corporate television and thier yuppie, possesion loving parents.

I am amazed at how quickly people assume that the youth in this country will participate in thier carnage and destruction when all along (even in the 60's) they have tried to warn them about the ridicoulous nature of war. The youth nowadays have been shot at, tear gassed, pepper sprayed, killed, beaten and ignored with extreme disgust. Then to be written off by corporate media as "violent protesters". Isn't that why they gave us Gore and "W" bush because they wanted to Silence us once and for all, The generation of "X"? We shall unite But we are allready united. We have been united for 10 years or so. Wehave been waiting to make our move. (smells like teen spirit) Only to be discredited by the government and facsist yuppies. So look again.

What really bothers me is that the oiginal generation that stood up to the vietnam war is now looking to the generation of X they worked so hard to silence. For example, the attacks on the video game industry, Movies, MUSIC, raves, cartoons, free speech, clothing and the pusuit of the american dream by a generation of youth who are commited to contribute to a evolutionary cause to better the world like no other generation.

So now, after you have forced me into the desert and onto indian reservations only to have 20,000 or so drugged people get into their cars prematurely and drive long distances home because what rave and dance culture represents to White government & Law enforcement is stupid black/indian culture is supposed to be a good reason to join the military now?

Your fuckin crazy!

Good luck.

Raves are every weekend and draw anywhere from 2,000 to 40,00 people in damn near every city in the country. Let alone the world.

It's not like they wanted us then. Why should we defend them now?

What did bill clinton do during vietnam? Dubya kept texas safe from Charlie and the ho chi min trail. These are not role models to get behind. They are cowards. And the generation they represent are cowards and are going to be the only ones available for this war.

Do you think (like veitnam) young black people are going to rush to the recruiting office? Why? They tried to rap about their lifestyle they had and all the government did was tell them to shut up in a not so positve way. You enslave them to this day. (nfl, nba) So look again.

So the indians are going to fight your war? Oh yeah sure. They did not fight much when you took it from them. So look again.

Maybe the gays that bush wanted to remove from the military will fight but only if they don't die of aids in the process. I am sorry that is wrong. I should'nt say that. Gays will not fight for bush. So look
again.

How about all those new mexican voters that bush is courting. But then who would do your precious lawn? Or wax your car or, pick you fruit, or sow your tennis shoes? Who will make your whoppers and who will remodel your home? This is not even thier country. So look
again.

Maybe we can let the millions of prisoners in this country fight the war for us? Yeah right. Hitler asked the jews to defend france for him to. No prisoner that is beaten and is living in a tiny cell will be able to fathom being out in the wide open desert. Among many other reasons. So look again.

Maybe we could round up all the homeless people on the street and make them carry a gun over there? Oh wait, we allready have that, it's called the draft. So look
again.

How about the punk rockers or metalheads or rappers or wiggers or ravers or housers or netheads or musicians. Okay these are the people that the governmaent has alienated the most. That would be great to get rid of them in this WAR. Wait, I really think you should equate elvis and eminem in this situation. Could you see eminem with a machine gun? Wait, maybe not so look again.

MAybe the arabs can fight the arabs for us? That would be great if you are a bigot or racsist. So look
again.

Maybe the yuppies and those corporate assholes will have to fight this war alone. Oh god forbid. Do they make a drug for that? It seems that only the corporate television wants a war. Perhaps because in one of those three buildings the possesions in them far outweigh the human life lost.

I want to say that life is precious. No matter who they are. No matter what they represent. My mom always told me that two wrongs do not make a right. Four rights do make a left. I cannot agree with any retalliation towards anyone no matter how sick or twisted the actions they represent. If this is a country of justice and law, then put bin ladden in a cell and let him suffer for the rest of his life. You can put the plane crashing into the building on a loop and make him watch it over and over again.

Again, I say to you hateful warmongers,

GOOD FUCKING LUCK TRYING TO FIND PEOPLE TO DIE FOR YOUR FINANCIAL AND WAR INSTITUITIONS.

Don't ask gen x unless you will shut the fuck up when it comes to our culture which is far more powerful than you may want to aknowledge.

Make love not war.

by militar
hey cop, get the fuck off indymedia. you dont know how to think for yourself, if you did, you wouldnt be a "good soldier"... so, again, just fuck off and go to your cop website where you can all beat off thinking about your nightsticks
by berkeley rebellion
um, I have to agree with reality check. The trtuh is that, whether you like it or not, most of the world wants this war. Besides, much as you love to blame the police, it seems quite clear that he is a MILITARY recruiter of some sort. Besides, whatever happened to "I hate what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it?" Has freedom of speech dwindled to "Get the fuck away from me and don't make me here what I don't want!" Let me share a Kierkegarrd quote with you:

"People demand freedom of speech to make up
for the freedom of thought which they avoid."

Think differently.
by Judy
Also, teach SCIENCE and HUMANISM. All religious people should be locked up in institutions. They are so stupid they are dangerous and illogical and irrational! Also, WAR IS THE HEALTH OF THE STATE. The State is having fun now! They can watch us poop now - and tell us how to do it right! They are in power heaven!
by Judy
Youth should be a street vendors - that's what JC Penney did. Get the government bureaucrat out so people can start a free market, free markets bring other freedoms!
by natalie
"Most of the world" does not support war. Tom Brokaw speaks in general terms to make you believe the whole world has our back as we plunder into the middle east once again. Most of the world "supports" the united states in our time of crisis, but there is not a shadow of consensus as to how to approach the US response. Most of the countries in the EU think that military force would only exaccerbate the terrorist threat. After all, these groups act out of desperation as a result of our economic, military and social policy. I'm not trying to say they do not deserve to be punished, but tell me when a "war on terrorism" would end? The notion of retaliation will soon lose its luster and many youth will not fight the war. This will begin to happen as soon as the distraught people of the United States realize that they're trying to fight fire with a blowtorch. I hope this realization comes soon, before more desperate people decide that it's better to die for something than to live for nothing.

peace,

natalie
by ravah
Reality Check is obviously worried that I may be correct.

If you had 2 new recruits that joined because corporate tv brainwashing took place then fuck them they are not strong enough to stand up with us anyways. For every 2 you got we got 10 so just admit you are afraid and I am right. Thats why you are angered. I am saddened not angered.

Unlike vietnam ,which had protesters and people organizing after our occupation of vietnam this new "war" has Very well organized participants who are fighting in the streets like g8 and wto but also peacefully for skateboard rights, drug use, raves, dj culture, gangs, rappers, metalheads, hippies, politics.

Dood you are a fucking fool. Just cause YOU don't see it does not mean its not there. Trying to make you realize that is a waste of our time.

I AM CONFIDENT AS FUCK!!! YOU ARE'NT.

P.L.U.R.
by sucka
um, you forgot that the R means "Respect" it seems you don't show that for anyone but yourself. Or is it that, like most of you young people, you've forgotten what the Movement was all about and how it was something greater than each of us alone?
by kate
"ravah"

in the past few days, as i have walked/driven around the bay area, i have not noticed any organized gatherings seeking skateboarding rights, or organizing against the oppression of dj culture and hippies. rather, i have seen and heard people in mourning, in confusion, in discussions that are far more productive and honest than misspelled anti-everything-but-you-and-your-friends rants. please get over yourself, offer others the respect that you seem to support, and before you accuse me of being a cop, i will say that i am a very liberal 23 year old woman who is scared and angry, but not full of hate. i also hope that you open your eyes and look outside the bay area and your semmingly insular communities, because i think the recruiter is right when he says that there are a lot of people willing to go to war. am i willing? do i support a war? do i want my friends to go to war? hell no. do i have a realistic, rational concept of america right now? i try to, as much as possible, and think you should too.
There are many different attempts being made today at unifying our culture into one coherent "argument", if you know what I mean. We want to stand for something that we deem correct, but we cant seem to agree on anything. I consider this a sign of intelligence. We cannot agree on anything because there are so many points of view, and so many media channels.... we are not slaves to one ideal anymore. The young people seem to gather around a "fuck this" attitude with increasing unity, but there is no way such a cultural definition will catch with the more educated youth. I think in the end it will be science. Look at how big the Matrix was. Look at the Computer industry's growth history and prospects. Look at genetics, drug experience, nanotechnology, and the influx of common knowledge about supply and demand (prompted by oil shortages and stock market press).

I guess I want a unified culture too, like the rest of you (some are more desperate than others, of course). Patriotism is certainly a unified cultural form, but it is at odds with the antithesis of patriotism (which has seemed to enter the US a bit). This antithesis is itself a unified culture, and thus the two will both gain much support. Hopefully such want of unification, in light of the the amassing of two large opposite cultural influences (pro and anti US), can be tamed. Dont be extreme, either way. Moderation is the key to sustainence.
by Wretch (strummer16 [at] hotmail.com)
Most of the ding-a-ling anti-war hipsters here who warble their cliched singsing would feel differently were it that numerous buildings or bridges intimately identified with San Francisco were left in smoldering ruins by fanatic terrorists who mock naive pleas for peace. I was against the Gulf War at the time, but now it's apparent that even the seemingly cynical aim of protecting our oil interests (and supposed "allies") is indeed a sensible strategy. Frothing Middle Eastern hatred of Americans will never change until their inherently corrupt governments are forced within into democracy. Their corruption and concomitant civilian unrest has very little to do with America's business allegiances. If the current Saudi regime is tossed out on their ass, another equally corrupt one will take its place and pump oil to whoever wants it, and
plenty do. Naive fools here seem to believe that American business practices abroad alone stifle democracy. First, most of the rest of the world is guilty in this respect. Name a country that refuses to deal with the Saudi
government for reasons of ethics. Second, the people themselves have to crave democracy, just as Americans did in our own revolution. If they want it, they'll get it independent of our commercial relationships.

Speaking of disastrous governments, watch Argentenia closely. Will the civil disobediance (and common looting) inspire the new government to operate in a more financially stable, less corrupt manner? Or will it simply be somebody else licking the creme off the dessert? Will all the destruction wrought by opportunistic protestors thriving off the thrill of righteous indignation (undermined by their own petty greed, wholly analogous to the average limpy liberal from Berkeley) effect meaningful change, or will the average citizen simply be content, whatever their level of actual political power, if their bank accounts return to normal? Again, it's up to them.

Sometimes it's simply a matter of kill or be killed. If Middle Eastern governments refuse to make a stand against the terrorists they condone, we are in the right to take matters into our own hands. We can't sit around and watch our citizens murdered while they putter about and pay pro-Western lip service, but sit idly by while terrorists train in their backyards.

I'm from New York City, by the way. The west coast jackasses on this forum know nothing of the horrors inflicted on this city. Death to all terrorists and their supporters. This war in Afghanistan is morally righteous.
by Chessy
I Wretch is absolutelyl correct. Seeing what happened in NYC has changed my viewpoint. Radically.

Ravah has nice little life. It seems like he has the money to have a car, to buy drugs and to have enough gas, time and money to go out into the desert to attend Raves -- he listed these activities not me. Heck, look at the Abercrombie boys and girls in his photo. One person has those cool ski googles and even the flag is brand new.

Its nice and fun to have an attitude with life like that and knowing deep in your heart that your posturing and rave attending might change life about as much as your \'yuppie parents\' protests and woodstock did.

I grew up with the WTC. They were being built while I was a kid. Actually seeing them destroyed changes things as I said.

Funny, the Nepalese Maoists, the Taliban fighters, the Palestinian youth, even the Western Special Forces don\'t seem to have cars, attend raves, or are out buying A&F. They are actually out doing something.

The ME guerillas do have something in common with Ravah though. The Nepalese Maoists for example, haven\'t had time to attend much school, and based on Ravah\'s spelling, neither has he.
by johnson
Point of interest, but no figures on hand.

Native Americans have a higher enlistment rate than any other racial group in America.

I know there had been some studies (weak ones if I remember) on whether or not boot camp took the place of initiation ritual. I tend to think its more in the line of "anything to get out of Wide Ruins AZ for a couplle of years."

None the less it is true although I'll have to ask you faith in this for now.
by danny thomas

i cant imagine needing your generation to fight. but if it happens. you all will do it. or face the consequences. you cant start a civil war. you cant escape the law. all you can do is bitch and moan your way into inferior ranks where you will more likely die.
theres nothing noble in refusing to fight for a country where you feel comfortable living. i guess the amish dont have to fight ? go be amish.
plus. your generation is no more out of control or useless than any other generation in the last 50 years. many individuals capable of greatness have come out of youre ranks. but honor and class abandoned the youth of america a long time ago. with a few exceptions theres been nothing of note from you guys in decades. american youth, whites especially, have been dumbed down to nothing. so the military wont be trying to wake you guys up im sure. wouldnt help.
by Andy Lambert (alambert48 [at] hotmail.com)
You got to be kidding me with your useless bantering. You remind me of my generation back in the sixties when we said make love not war. That is our slogan, find your own.

Wether you realize it or not, you are a product of my generation and you are falling in line just like we did no matter how much you protest. You can't have peace without war.

If America sat back and watched as America hating persons attacked us over and over again we would not be at peace but living under a dictator. Get off your high horse and invest in military hardware stocks.

You will eventually become mainstream and look back at what you are doing today and think "what was I thinking". We all think we can change the world. We can't, destiny will drive this world's future and there is nothing you can fucken do about it.

By the way, stop flying the American flag upside down you cheap son of a bitch. If you don't like it here, screw.
by Andy Lambert (alambert48 [at] hotmail.com)
You got to be kidding me with your useless bantering. You remind me of my generation back in the sixties when we said make love not war. That is our slogan, find your own.

Wether you realize it or not, you are a product of my generation and you are falling in line just like we did no matter how much you protest. You can't have peace without war.

If America sat back and watched as America hating persons attacked us over and over again we would not be at peace but living under a dictator. Get off your high horse and invest in military hardware stocks.

You will eventually become mainstream and look back at what you are doing today and think "what was I thinking". We all think we can change the world. We can't, destiny will drive this world's future and there is nothing you can fucken do about it.

By the way, stop flying the American flag upside down you cheap son of a bitch. If you don't like it here, screw.
by Andy Lambert (alambert48 [at] hotmail.com)
You got to be kidding me with your useless bantering. You remind me of my generation back in the sixties when we said make love not war. That is our slogan, find your own.

Wether you realize it or not, you are a product of my generation and you are falling in line just like we did no matter how much you protest. You can't have peace without war.

If America sat back and watched as America hating persons attacked us over and over again we would not be at peace but living under a dictator. Get off your high horse and invest in military hardware stocks.

You will eventually become mainstream and look back at what you are doing today and think "what was I thinking". We all think we can change the world. We can't, destiny will drive this world's future and there is nothing you can fucken do about it.

By the way, stop flying the American flag upside down you cheap son of a bitch. If you don't like it here, screw.
by ravah=waste of space
"They tried to rap about their lifestyle they had and all the government did was tell them to shut up in a not so positve way. You enslave them to this day. (nfl, nba) So look again."

So, brothas working in the NBA of NFL are slaves? Whitey please...you do not know what you are talking about so please shut the f-up b4 you make a bigger fool out of yourself.
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