Martyr

While everyone starts screaming "assassination" and "murder" and equating this with a cold-blooded, senseless, needless, random, calculated, govt-crackdown-on-freedom-of-speech assault, ask yourself this..

If the cop who killed him was in the moral wrong to do so under this circumstance, what then would have been the correct response?

Let himself be hit with a flying fire extinguisher? Limit himself to non-lethal retalliation? Limit himself to defensive gestures only (blocking, dodging)? Quit his job that morning and not be there guarding evil men in the first place?

Should the attacker (let's not be polite and just call him a "protester", because that ain't no sign he's holding up) have been wielding the fire extinguisher in the first place? Why was he doing it? What did he seek to accomplish? Was he only partially out of line, or way over it, or guided by the hand of god himself?

I'm not saying I condone this death, but please.. let's think through the situation, instead of reacting with blinders on. Enough of this "You killed my father, prepare to die!" pack mentality. If you want to pass moral judgement, then describe your ideal for what should have happened here.

*Sj

spider, why is there a paramilitary force there to begin with? why the missile defense system? why the off-shore warships? why the attacks on peaceful protesters? why the intimidation for weeks before? why did they order 200 body bags? why is the leader of italy also the owner of majority corporate media? how many deaths on the hands of the g8? please. ask these questions and you won't be so anal about what is and is not said. your constant attempts to impose YOUR idea of rationality and reasonableness is getting really stupid. other people have thought about this too whether they have posted it or not. if you are confused, maybe you should be more respectful of others opinions before you start acting like a jerk.

As you can see from the picture the, the police vihicle was driving away from him... So the answer is keep driving and speed up so you out-distance yourself from the protesters range. And killing someone becuase they hit you with a fire extinguisher is stupid. Period.

The cop's trained to shoot. Spider, are you saying he had to shoot to kill? Why not shoot the man in the leg if the cop was so threatened?

I'm tired of all this bullshit excusing the cops for killing people. The cop meant to kill and he did. Now tell me, who was murdered and who is the murderer?

and i notice they are questions...
i mean, i'm glad to hear that this cop is totally trying to think for himself.

Anyway,


I will interpolate...


While everyone starts screaming "assassination" and "murder" and equating this with a cold-blooded, senseless, needless, random, calculated, govt-crackdown-on-freedom-of-speech assault, ask yourself this..

If the cop who killed him was in the moral wrong to do so under this circumstance, what then would have been the correct response?

Let himself be hit with a flying fire extinguisher? Limit himself to non-lethal retalliation? Limit himself to defensive gestures only (blocking, dodging)?


>Yes because that's what you cops are paid to do.
You signed up for the job buddy not us.
I think that you can definately hurt someone without killing them... That's been proven a million times...


Quit his job that morning and not be there guarding evil men in the first place?

> that could definately help the situation if more cops would think instead of just follow orders, they wouldn't put themself in this predicament, whats sad is that most cops had military training where rational train of thought is violently beaten out of them during the first few weeks of military training, then whenthey become cops its too late to start thinking. They only learn how to react to certain cituations not to think with their own morals & values.
I mean killing a kid, how is that going to help you sleep at night, i mean now that you're talking about first thoughts of the morning & all, why not talk about the last few before you go to sleep?

Should the attacker (let's not be polite and just call him a "protester", because that ain't no sign he's holding up)

> so what you're insinuating here is that certain people deserve to die more than others.
so you in that situation would have done the same thing because you can tell who should live and who should die. I mean suddenly cops have judgement to kill?
wow, only in america is capital punishment legal but I thought those decisions were left to judges. Trained people who make those decisions.
Well, i mean america is the last country to legally kill through capital punishment in the modern countries... what does that tell you about capital punishment? That all other "modern" countries say its bad, but america is the last country to still do it.


have been wielding the fire extinguisher in the first place?

In my opinion cops have no business having real bullets in the first place at protests... unless they intend to kill?



Why was he doing it?

>he's excercizing his freedom of speech...
besides, you and I weren' t there to know who started it first.
That I know of the protestors removed the wall and barrier then the cops went on a rampage insiting violence against the protestors.


What did he seek to accomplish?

>He wanted to participate in a democracy, but it looks like his voice was silenced. Haven't you read Massacre in Tlatelolco? Massacre in Mexico 1968... try reading how countries trying to prove modernity and civility repressed student protestors asking for democracy, this situation isn't very different.

Was he only partially out of line, or way over it, or guided by the hand of god himself?

>Well, some don't believe in god, so lets not even go there.
I don't wanna start talking dogma.


I'm not saying I condone this death,


>yes you are... come on, I know you are..
You'd rather see this kid dead than chandra Levy,
just admit it, you don't care about protestors because you don't know enough about politics to actually understand motives for uprising.


but please.. let's think through the situation, instead of reacting with blinders on.

>which cops do all the time... on the contrary protestors have this website that can help bring truths that are hidden from us, from media moguls like italian Berlusconi, and of course Turner does in the US and the world.

Enough of this "You killed my father, prepare to die!" pack mentality.

>tell that to the US military and cops... who are just as irrational.

If you want to pass moral judgement, then describe your ideal for what should have happened here.


I think the ideal would have been that these protestors would have been able to stop the meeting.
Allowed all these men to be forced to communicate by mediated communication because the people, those people who they are trying to control would tell them to stop what they are doing.
If these people really wanted to end poverty they'd pardon all debts. They'd feed the hungry with their surplus food.
Because there isn't a food shortage, there's just too much greed.
REad, read read, you'll find out for yourself what ideals you can have.
I mean, I think that asking questions is a good start, but you have to read in order to come to your own conclusions.
Read indymedia, and compare the coverage to corporate media.
Tell me.. is there this much democracy in other messag boards of cnn sites?
no...

this is what democracy looks like.
Z

Trying to imagine anything from the point of view of the cop is pointless. The police have no right to be there in the first place.

I have anger, rage and sorrow to express to this martyr. I will not let this be taken away from me and manipulated by friends of capitalism and oppression.

Spider's response is -exactly- the oppressors' template response to the result of their use of excessive force. It is still very fresh in our memories that it's the same kind of response that was received from the oppressors' after the shootings in Papua, Cincinnati and Gothenburg.

Their goal (through their response) is to take the event and explain it as though it's an isolated event. Instead of being that someone was fighting against oppression and then was -murdered- for doing so, they say that it's "the protestor did this, so the police did that, then the protestor did that."

They try to justify murder by saying that the murderer's life was in danger, etc, etc. They completely ignore the fact that it is a situation where someone is fighting against an entity that has enslaved humanity for millenia!
We must always remember this when they try to isolate events to justify the repression they want to use against us. Point them out when they do so! Everyone needs to understand capitalism's tactics!

Spider asks: (paraphrase) "Should the cop have limited himself to non-lethal tactic?....should he have limited himself to self defense?..." un...yeah, that is what police are trained to do. To shoot this protester in the head is in-defensible.

Spiders commens were fucking idiotic. Its obvious he is a cop or some type of collaborator. Can we please stop devoting all of this energy to a moron? I say a prayer for the dead young man and his mother and family. Also for everyone over there right now, including my brother. The cream of the crop baby, beautiful people.

I found the one statement that sums up the entire anti-G8 and anti-globalist thought:

"Trying to imagine anything from the point of view of the cop is pointless. The police have no right to be there in the first place."

You want anarchy, violence, and bloodshed.

Pointless to see it from the cop's point of view? That's what the cops think about you. The only thing this species is fighting is itself.

Trust me, I do not in any way condone what happened on either side but let's all look at this as human beings. Set aside your feelings towards the police or towards anarchists and look at it as a rational human. Place yourself in the midst of a riot, you are a police officer, or whatever the hell you wanna be, on the side trying to control the riot. People have thrown rocks at you, the air is alive with hostility, and suddenly, here's some hooded asshole getting ready to hurl a large red cylinder at you, what do you do? You have 2 seconds to react, a whopping 2 seconds, as you can see from the photo the guy approached the rear of the officers, so 2 seconds seems fair, could have been 5, might have been 1, 2 seconds. Do you look at the red cylinder and say, Fire extinguisher with no modifications, ok! I think I'll block with my arms and taser the guy. Or do you simply see someone acting hostile about to throw something that can EASILY (trust me on this) be turned into a pipe-bomb or other form of explosive. Granted, it would have been better if he had shot for a shoulder, or leg, but he didn't. I will not damn him for reacting, because that's why they call them reactions.

That means to act without thinking of the action first for you slow people. Trained or not, it's still a reaction.

Now... Running over him twice? Fuck that... Uncalled for, under NO circumstances should a peace officer of any kind exact the kind of petty violence that is normally reserved for those that "they" refer to as criminals. Running him over twice takes all that I said before and throws it out the window due to the simple rage that encites in any human being. Well, I've kinda burnt out my fire now. Pray for the man's family, that's all we can really do in this. Pray in whatever way suits you, but make sure you save one for them...

-Josh