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Anarchists and protestors are Violent, Bart Cop is Wronged Victim
by ntuit
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 11:11 AM
Take Everything That is Decent, Moral and Right and turn it the opposite direction - that is the way the SYSTEM works in the US today
We are living in the world of Alice of Wonderland. The system is showing very clearly what it is all about. A Bart cop draws his gun and shoots and kills an unarmed man who was face down on the ground. The cop apparently walks away with from the scene after a “Police” lawyer is called into the case. A special “Police” fund will pay for all of his legal services. He was not arrested, detained or interrogated. You see, he was just doing his duty in the “SYSTEM.” They take care of “their own” – not us, the public.

The same police force that was involved in this horrendous event is the one investigating it. I guess that is why they tried to confiscate the cameras of those who were there on the BART platform. The politicians, police unions and other vested interests have figured it all out, got the laws changed when they needed to – did everything to pervert the system in their favor as long as the public keeps paying for everything. That is the way the system works. We have become their slaves and they must be violent, threatening to keep us in line.

Anarchists and others march and do a minimal amount of property damage. They are the “VIOLENT” ones. They must immediately be arrested, detained, interrogated, indicted and brought to trial by the System’s District Attorney. He is so busy with the VIOLENT anarchists he doesn’t have time to do anything about a man who took a gun and killed another defenseless man in cold blood. That man has rights, has procedures - can walk away from the scene. He is part of “THEIR” system. The people, who have no union, who have no lawyer (they can’t afford one), who pay taxes for public officials and police – they are the ones with no rights.

Am I the only one or does this whole system seem to be absolulety, totally corrupted and perverted. The system is all about money and power. That is why the lawsuit is so important. Apparently the only way to get them to change is through their number one love – money. Is money the only thing that changes these people? And they wonder why people feel like rioting.
I called the D.A.’s office to protest this (silly aren’t I) and they told me they couldn’t take complaints over the phone – that I would need to go to their web site and send an email through the website. Well, guess what – I went to their web site and there was not email address to send anything to about complaints. That is what they think of the public.

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by ....
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 11:29 AM
other night. We are sick of seeing this happen in our community and "real change" will not come until we as a community are more militant. You can hold all the candle light vigils you want, but we have seen how they respond to these. They do nothing.

We understand that your jobs are at risk because of the property damage.
Ron Dellums -- Career politician
Dereca Blackmon -- Career activist/democratic party hack

Blame the anarchists all you want, but, it was not the anarchists who created this situation.

Enough is enough.
by ....
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 11:29 AM
It's pretty fucking sad to see the political hacks and democratic vampires out in full force to condemn what happened the other night. We are sick of seeing this happen in our community and "real change" will not come until we as a community are more militant. You can hold all the candle light vigils you want, but we have seen how they respond to these. They do nothing.

We understand that your jobs are at risk because of the property damage.
Ron Dellums -- Career politician
Dereca Blackmon -- Career activist/democratic party hack

Blame the anarchists all you want, but, it was not the anarchists who created this situation.

Enough is enough.
by No Name
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 12:49 PM
Hi, I'm sorry for the lost of Unarmed man who had been shot... when I heard about the news, I had tears in my eyes. It is unrighteous obviuosly, but I do want to point out that if violent protest keeps going on, EVERYONE will think of you as a harm to the city. Preotesting is a good way to get their attention and do something, but it does not have to be violent. Think about the people, businesses, that are demaged, they are innocent. When violent occurs, then who will protest for them? So I strongly suggest to have a peaceful protest, I will join ya too! But Violent will only leads to racial damages.
by ntuit
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 1:15 PM
Sorry, Health Specialist...apparently you didn't read or understand. Violence is putting a gun at someones back and pulling the trigger and killing them without provocation. That is the real issue. Breaking a window or trashing a police car - is that really violence or or legitimate protest of true state violence?

Health Specialist, why don't you call and write your elected public officials...over and over and over again...every minute for the rest of your life and see what gets done. I don't think the anarchists were the truly violent here but they got treated a lot, lot harsher than the cop that perpetrated true violence. ARE YOU SO BLIND THAT YOU CAN NOT SEE AND UNDERSTAND THAT AND THE TOTAL PICTURE?
by ntuit
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 1:19 PM
in the american value system, a window or police car or cash or other piece of property has more value than the life of a young, black man. Now I understand.
by Miguel
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 1:27 PM
The corporate press coverage of the nightime events of 1/7 is very questionable . Chip Johnson wails that what took place was ''mayhem ''but that's funny , no one was killed, raped or savegely beaten according to any eyewitnesses. So no ''mayhem '' !
The Chron ''forgot '' to mention that according to numerous people the OPD shot bean bag projectiles into the crowd and fired , not ''tossed'' tear gas cannisters into the crowd .
The OPD was antsy for a fight . But that brings me to my next point , why then give it to them ???
One doesn't have to read Sun Tsu and some other miltary strategist to know that when your enemy clearly wants a battle then maybe it's because they know they can win . And then did , both ''miltarily ''and politicially .
Among many reasons not to engage in trashing African Bead shops (!!!??? ) and Chinese rests. is that the family of Oscar Grant had denounced it and called clearly for it not to be repeated. It is true that no one owns a movement but do you Anarchists really want to play into the narrative as ''White kids '' indifferent to the desires of the Black Community ?
Yeah i know that's not completely accurate . You aren't all White. You have a fair number of people over 30 in your ranks . And there isn't a monolithic ''Black Community ''.
But that's how the narrative is read. Who says that politics , even progressive politcs, is fair ?
by beep me
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 2:29 PM
Smashing car windows of civilians that are caught in the middle is not protest. Who is going to pay $500 dollars to replace the windshield? not the murderous pigs that kill unarmed civilians
by ...
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 3:03 PM
"The OPD was antsy for a fight . But that brings me to my next point , why then give it to them ??? "

No one gave a fight for this, see what happened: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2003/04/07/12402.php I could add a laundry list of times where the OPD fired teargas and rubber bullets at people unprovoked. This is not the first time. And it certainly wont be the last time.

Finally, you seem to have been there or know what happened. What percentage of the crowd were white anarchists at 14th and broadway? Not many. For this to be blamed solely on the anarchist community is bullshit. We're just the only one's who will not use non-violent rhetoric and condemn what happened. It was completely justified. For too long, we (as in Oaklanders) have sat by and watched the progressive community hold their candlelight vigils while those in power stumble to do anything about murder by the pig thugs.

Once again, I say, enough is enough.
by not your average anarchist
Friday Jan 9th, 2009 3:55 PM
The people who broke most of the windows were young black people, not white anarchists. Some of the anarchists helped break the windows at McDonald's but not at the bead store, and none of them were active in setting cars on fire. Check your facts by talking with witnesses, and leave your anti-anarchist prejudices at home for once.
"Some of the anarchists helped break the windows at McDonald's but not at the bead store"

Think anyone who wasn't there knows or cares?

Think again.

If real anarchists are mixing with people destroying small businesses they become them for all intents and purposes. They could have walked away or tried to speak out to those who would listen and educate them on the relevance of the targets. But it sounds like they weren't in a mood for listening anyway.

It was right to respond -- sure, and even with property destruction -- but wrong to terrify local people who are not the real criminals.
by not your average anarchist
Saturday Jan 10th, 2009 6:18 PM
What the fuck are you droning on about you liberal moralist?