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RaceGroups Demand End to 'Hate Radio'
Home grown radio host under attack in Portland. Michael Savage's nationally syndicated radio show is so filled with hate and bigotry that it could incite violence against immigrants and minorities, a coalition of area church and civic leaders contended Wednesday.
The coalition demanded an end to what they call "hate radio" and called on radio station KXL, owned by billionaire Paul Allen, to drop Savage's show, called "Savage Nation." "We urge those who have the privilege of shaping public opinion that ... words can indeed hurt and can incite people to actions that result in injury and even death," said David A. Leslie, director of Ecumenical Ministries of Oregon, one of the coalition's members. Button worn at news conference by opponent of a program on KXL Radio. (KGW Photo) Tom Nelson, another spokesman for the coalition, called Savage Nation's contents "an unbroken stream of hate and chauvinism directed against women, people of color, liberals, immigrants and in particular people of Middle Eastern heritage and people of the Muslim faith. "We condemn this message of hate," he said. Savage said the coalition's descriptions of him as a racist and a bigot are nothing but an attempt to shut him up. "If they are calling me these names ... they are interfering with my ability to earn a living, and I may sue them," he said in a telephone interview from his home in northern California. "I don't cave in," Savage said. The Coalition Against Hate Radio consists of the Ecumenical Ministries of Oregon, the Interfaith Councils of Greater Seattle and Greater Portland, the Islamic Societies of Southwest Washington and Portland, the Multnomah County Democratic Party, the Muslim Educational Trust, Oregon Friends of the Middle East, Jews for Global Justice, the Catholic Archdiocese of Portland, Centro Cultural and several other churches and groups. Wajdi Said, executive director of the Muslim Educational Trust, said the coalition would hold Savage legally responsible if any views broadcast on his show incited listeners to acts of violence. Savage called his critics "radical leftists" who themselves are filled with hate. "They have every right to hate what I say. That's what talk radio is all about: disagreement," Savage said. "That's what the Bill of Rights is all about: disagreement." Savage, who has worked as an ice cream factory worker, busboy, lifeguard, writer and scientist, is the most popular radio talk show host in the San Francisco Bay Area, and is heard on more than 350 radio stations across the nation. He would not say how old he is. His Web site, http://www.paulreveresociety.com, says he holds master's degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and earned his Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley in epidemiology and nutrition science. He has written 18 books, including The Savage Nation and Herbs That Heal. In Portland, Savage's show is featured on KXL during afternoon drive time. KXL broadcasts news, talk, weather and traffic 24 hours a day to an audience from northern Oregon to southern Washington. Tim McNamara, the station's general manager, said he had received seven letters of complaint about Savage's show 5 of which were identically worded, along with hundreds of letters of support. "I have absolutely zero advertiser resistance," he said. McNamara said he offered Savage's critics air time but they declined. In addition to KXL, Paul Allen also owns the Seattle Seahawks, the Rose Garden in Portland and Portland's hometown team, the Portland Trail Blazers. "That is one of the main reasons for going after KXL," said Mona Goode, a spokeswoman for the coalition. She contended that by broadcasting Savage's show, the message KXL sends to minorities and immigrants, "in particular to all people of Middle Eastern ancestry and to Muslims, is that you are not wanted in this country, that you have no value and that you should not expect any respect here." Members of the coalition said they will ask corporate advertisers to withhold their support from KXL until the station drops Savage. "We're going to engage with the corporations that advertise on the radio station and appeal to their sense of corporate responsibility," Goode said. "In a sense, Michael Savage has done us a favor. He's kind of united the coalition in and of himself," she said. Michael Nank, a spokesman for Vulcan Inc., Allen's Seattle-based holding company, said Tuesday that Savage's views are his alone, and do not represent the station or its corporate owners. Other than that, he said, "KXL is the broadcaster, and any day-to-day decisions are addressed by the station there." |
I kind of think this could backfire. Savage is indeed a racist scumbag, but he does more good for the left than not. A majority of people probably listen to Savage only because they enjoy the incredulous reaction they feel upon hearing his ignorant rants.
Let him rant and rave. To try to shut him up will only inflame his supporters.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to direct the campaign against the advertisers of his show, however, and to bring THEM to light, bring THEM to acccountability. They, after all, are supporting Savage, as well as Allen.
If you don't like what they say, find a way to shut them up.
Classic Marxism.
Also, he is the son of an immigrant, and respects immigrants greatly when they come to the United States to contribute to our economy and society.
Again, please, before you demonize Michael, tune in to the show and listen for a week to see where he's really coming from. He's a patriot, is in favor of legal immigration, and wants the best for those who have immigrated here; namely that they learn the english language to enable them to succeed in their work here in the USA where English is common language. Teaching children in their native tounge will hold them back from success.
In listening you'll find that he's all about common sense, and you may not agree with even 80% of what he says, but he articulates his positions and is willing to reason with people who call the show.
Take a look/listen, and then judge for yourself.
Ray
There is no doubt that Savage is a bigot. What else do you make of someone who calls non-whites from outside this country "mud people"? He tolerates and encourages all forms of chauvinism on the part of his thick-as-mud fans who call in. The other day some caller referred to Japs and Towel-Heads and nary a word of protest from Savage. Often however I sense that he is embarressed by the low-caliber intellects of his talk-mates but always bails them out with some pointless aside and then launches into yet another attack on liberals. To the above poster who says that he is open to discussion with those who disagree, I would say that only if the nature of the disagreement is benign or articulated poorly. When someone calls in with an intelligent criticism and is well-composed Savage shuts them up every time.
Thanks newsmax.com for breaking this story!
2) They're intellectually inferior to dog ball sweat.
3) Both of the above.
Jim Hightower had his own syndicated radio broadcast. He lost his audience because he wasn't entertaining. If anyone feeds you this "They kicked them the air off because he didn't walk in lock step like a corporate lackey" BULLSHIT, accept it AND THEM for what they are; worthless.
If you wish, read the transcripts of the interviews with him and William Donahue (Catholic Church); Shaykh Kabbani (Muslim). Racist? Surely you jest.
Now, as for the protesters...they have the right to assemble and protest. HOWEVER, if they are hell-bent on taking away my right to listen to someone who doesn't agree with them...then I hope they fail.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/03/118945.php
On the surface, it has a reasonable tone, but it is preposterous.
He didn't call Middle Easterners "Mud People". He said that in a news broadcast a few of the Taliban Al Quaida members looked like they were made of mud. "Mud People"? Listen to what he says!
I work with a fellow who just moved here from the Bay Area. He is a Liberal and has strong political views. In talking with him about issues such as welfare, foreign policy and religious freedom I discovered something very encouraging. Liberals really want to be conservative but only if their personal quality of life is effected. This means that if it gets bad enough in our country, they will sober up and finally put it all together in their minds. This is a good start to having our country back and should relieve many conservatives of the concern that Mr Savage creates for our country's well-being.
Speaking of silencing voices, have you ever noticed how callers to hate radio who don't agree with host get weeded out by the screeners? If the get through, the get cut off by the host. Why is that?
Boy, talk about thinking the world revolves around you!
We, the undersigned, hereby affirm our disgust and dismay at the commercial support given Michael Savage by corporate America, and pledge to boycott any and all companies who purchase advertising on "The Savage Nation" (a complete list of which is available via the SavageStupidity.Com web site on the "Boycott" page).
We support the Oregon Coalition Against Hate Radio and other organizations actively promoting a boycott of Savage Nation advertisers.
"The content is an unbroken stream of hate and chauvinism directed against women, people of color, liberals, immigrants and in particular people of Middle Eastern heritage and people of the Muslim faith. We condemn this message of hate..." said Tom Nelson, spokesman for the Coalition Against Hate Radio (press release will full details on campaign available at http://www.ofme.net/PressRelease.html).
"The message that [radio stations broadcasting The Savage Nation are] sending to communities of color, immigrants, and in particular to all people of Middle Eastern ancestry and to Muslims, is that you are not wanted in this country, that you have no value and that you should not expect any respect here," said spokeswoman Mona Goode of the Oregon Friends of the Middle East. "That is a message that we must actively and vocally oppose."
The dominance of "hate radio" is not a market-driven phenomenon, but a product of conscious decisions made by conservative media-conglomerates to silence alternative voices. This is not a sustainable situation for democracy.
We call upon the FCC to restore the "Fairness Doctrine", the federal requirement (abandoned in the Reagan administration) that broadcast stations leasing the public airwaves had to allow a certain amount of time for opposing views on political issues.
We call upon radio stations to voluntarily implement the "Fairness Doctrine" in their own programming, and restore balanced discourse to the airwaves by featuring local and syndicated "liberal" talk show hosts on a regular basis.
For more information on our campaign, visit SavageStupidity.Com or email us at "info [at] savagestupidity.com" with your comments and feedback.
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The more you bitch and moan about Savage, the more attention you bring him, and the higher his arbatron ratings becomes as people tune in to find out what all the hubbub is all about. So in a sense, all this protesting and petitioning is self defeating and you are doing nothing but attracting more listeners to Michael Savage. So to all you Anti-Savage Folks out there, do what many people do when they don’t like something they hear on the radio station, they change the channel.
So let's take a poll. How many people think it's because he's a coward, and how many people think it's because he's smart enough to avoid being made a fool of in public?
Believe what you will. It's irrelevant to me what you think..
>Of me, he would not. I'd love to debate Noam.
The blind leading the stupid. That might be interesting.....for a second or two.
I highly doubt it has anything to do with them not having the courage or smart enough not to debate here because they might be made a fool of.
In fact, one was the last time SFIMC had a "name" person with large media exposure posting here and debating the issue???
Let me guess, soon I will be seeing posts from "Rush Limbaugh", "Janet Reno", "Bill Clinton", "Larry King", and "Martha Stewart" on here soon.
Whatever.
Confucius say: "He who toots his own horn plays alone."
Further, what gives anyone the right to shut him down? He is entitled to the same freedom of speech as you are. You whiny fucks cry about the slightest infraction against your civil liberties or your freedom of speech. Yet you would violate his civil liberties and take away his freedom of speech. Sounds like you are a bunch of hipocrites to me.
You say that it may not happen in your lifetime. If you were as smart as you claim, you would have made it happen already. If you were as smart as you claim, nothing could have stopped you.
IF... you were as smart as you claim.
But, you're not.
Nessie, if your debate skills are as exceptional as you claim. Then I say you put them to use and call the Michael Savage Show. Post the transcripts of your conversation with Michael Savage and let the people here decide who won the debate.
This argument over who’s the better debater is all hypothetical and doesn’t really prove either side. It's like debating which is better vanilla or chocolate? The simple solution, call the show and prove it. Then we can pick apart the details of the conversation and claim who is the better debater.
If you were smart enough, you could do it overnight. If I had the same objective as you, I could have done it overnight. No sweat.
>I never once claimed I was smart enough to make it happen in my lifetime.
If I had the same objective as you, I could have done it overnight. No sweat.
>The plan was already devised by others, long vefore I was born. It is in action, and it is succeeding, little by little.
The same could have been said by someone living in the Roman Empire who disapproved of what they did. Eventually every empire crumbles. The USA will do the same. The difference being you aren't smart enough to make it happen in your lifetime. If I wanted to, I could do it overnight. No sweat.
Communism was thought up during the 1800's and lived and died(taking millions of lives in the prosess) in the 20th century. Hey Nessie, what is actully what you want to replace capiltalism with? How whould it work?
capitalism is a mode of production based upon wage-labor. A capitalist is someone who employs labor in pursuit of profit.
My point was to say that capitalism is a relatively new historical phenomenon. Capitalism isn't simply avarice -- as RR implies -- although avarice is certainly fundamental to it. Capitalism is a mode of production based on wage-labor, a system in which labor is a commodity. Whereas under chattel-slavery the slave-master owns the slave, under capitalism the capitalist doesn't own the worker, but instead, buys his/her labor power. While there have been instances in which chattel-slaves have been used in industrial production, generally chattel-slavery is utilized in labor-intensive agricultural production. From the perspective of the capitalist it is more efficient (read cheaper) to buy labor power as opposed to buying the whole person, which necessitates, among other things, procuring food and accomodations -- however meagre. The beginnings of capitalism can be traced to the industrial revolution and enclosures in Europe.
RR asked Nessie to explain what he proposes as an alternative. A fair question. The point, as I see it, isn't to put forth a blue-print but instead to attempt to illustrate the possibilites of a liberated, non/post capitalist world. The following link, I think broaches this question intelligently.
http://www.bopsecrets.org/PS/joyrev4.htm#Utopians%20fail%20to%20envision%20postrevolutionary%20diversity
"Culture, Language, Borders!" Sounds a bit like "Ein Riech, Ein Volk, Ein Fuher," to me. Shut the s.o.b. down and let him earn a living doing a real job.
Capitalism is evolution.You cannot stop it.Survival of the fittist in the market place creates better things out of compatition.Take computers,look at the AppleIIE compared to the latest IMac,would you want to countiue to use AplleIIE's or an old 286 instead of a pentium4?
Take the mammals,after the astriod hit earth 65mya they took over the areas that the dinosours left off.Before they were just rats,but after they became dogs,whales and people.That is the way nature works.Animals become extict and new ones take thier place.VHS over beta,Mammals over Dinos.
In communist countries,everything was very backward compared to the capitalist ones.Is anyone old enough to remember West and East Germany?If communist theory works so well how come West germans did not risk thier lives to escape the brouisgie
oppresion and live in the glory of prolatarate paradise?
Utopias are a fanatsy,they are nightmares when inatacted via
Hitler,Stalin,Pol Pot,Mao,and Martha Stewart.
I doubt we've ever experience theoretical capitalism here, anymore than other countries experienced theoretical communism. Here, the Unseen Hand of the Market is a big middle finger. It's a myth for us peons. Any standard of living increase in the U.S has been the result of people raising hell and demanding better conditions. It never trickles down.
However, I am reading a book about 1877, and the hell raising by the workers at that time. Yes, we plunder the third world, but if workers hadn't stood up time and again, I, personally, would be living in third world conditions. That's my point.
Oh,being Union can have its ups and downs.You get some good job security but having to strike kinda sucks.Unions have brought a better standred of living to the working class but have also ruined several industrys(like US Steel).
I certainly don't think it's the last word, but do feel it thoughtfully addresses some pivotal questions.
Honestly, I doubt you spent more than five minutes looking it over.
In any event, your response is typical of the canned right-wing rejoinders that I've come to expect from conservatives on indymedia. Small-spirited, predictable, pat, uninspired, complacent -- all that.
It's funny that you martial Stephen Jay Gould to support your tired creed.
Gould was an evolutionary biologist, and by any definition, a radical. He decimated the Bell Curve formulation put forward by Murray, who was never to be heard from again. While I don't know if he called himself a socialist, he certainly was sympathetic to anti-capitalist politics and dialectical modes of inquiry.
And I'm sure he'd bristle at the notion of being invoked to support mediocre thinking by a pin-head like you, Ronnie.
Thus any kind of communist system is due to fail.
The Appeal to Nature is a common fallacy in political arguments. One version consists of drawing an analogy between a particular conclusion, and some aspect of the natural world -- and then stating that the conclusion is inevitable, because the natural world is similar:
"The natural world is characterized by competition; animals struggle against each other for ownership of limited natural resources. Capitalism, the competitive struggle for ownership of capital, is simply an inevitable part of human nature. It's how the natural world works."
Another form of appeal to nature is to argue that because human beings are products of the natural world, we must mimic behavior seen in the natural world, and that to do otherwise is 'unnatural':
"Of course homosexuality is unnatural. When's the last time you saw two animals of the same sex mating?"
Robert Anton Wilson deals with this form of fallacy at length in his book "Natural Law". A recent example of "Appeal to Nature" taken to extremes is The Unabomber Manifesto.
a good link on arguments which are fallacy is at http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html. You will be VERY hard pressed to find a conservative argument which does not fall into the realm of fallacy. This is because at its core the conservative position is only rarely logically defensible, so they must rely on alternative tactics (fallacies, appealing to emotion, name calling, generalizations etc etc)
Thus any kind of communist system is due to fail."
gee. I wonder why ants are the most succesful species on the planet, then.
You wrote about Mr. Savage and his "Muslim Bashing." Tell me.....How many blonde haired, blue eyed hi-jackers were there on 9-11?
I am familiar with some of the "groups" that are supposedly united in thier objections to talk radio host Micheal Savage. They are radical left wing organizations masquerading as "Inter-faith" this and "Ecunemical" that. Do not be fooled by these obstensibly religious titles. These "groups" are well-connected with homosexual and other activist organizations who routinely engage in anti-Conservative causes. Because of thier commonly held political views which border on sucide and insanity they are incapable of even rationally discussing topics like "racism" or "hate" which, ironically best describe they themselves.
Eric B.
I am familiar with some of the "groups" that are supposedly united in thier objections to talk radio host Micheal Savage. They are radical left wing organizations masquerading as "Inter-faith" this and "Ecunemical" that. Do not be fooled by these obstensibly religious titles. These "groups" are well-connected with homosexual and other activist organizations who routinely engage in anti-Conservative causes. Because of thier commonly held political views which border on sucide and insanity they are incapable of even rationally discussing topics like "racism" or "hate" which, ironically best describe they themselves.
Eric B.
There's one thread that he posted himself where hardly anyone talks to him for a while and he just goes berserk.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/147515_comment.php#148017
You're a fool. But it's understandable. You are the one who wants to take away my guns, to force perversion on me, keep me from flying my flag, take away my right to religion yet fight for Islamic terrorists-and have I mentioned you're a traitor? You side with the enemy which makes YOU the enemy.
You slimebags have pushed and pushed and pushed and there are millions who are tired of it. No, I'm not berserk. You are mentally ill for not recognizing what's in the wind.
They're coming to take me away, haha.
They're coming to take me away, heehee.
To the funny farm, where life is sweet and everything
is evil all the time and the big bad capitalists can't get me there because their fortress on Haight street in the Mission district is impenetrable and Rupunzel will have to let down her hair for snow white to kiss the sleeping princess and turn her into a frog.
wooooooooooo hoooooooo.
by popeye • Friday September 13, 2002 at 02:10 PM
as long as he doesn't go on the main and most popular part of the site (i.e. the chat section) who cares? If he's here we have a chance of tracking him down, on the chat he'd be totally anonymous and untrackable. We'd never be able to track him. He could do some real damage there, but here he is just a nuisance.
That's obviously a lie. Any second grader knows better.
i pushed your buttons didn't i. and since you couldn't tackle my arguments, all you could think to do was fuck around with my name. a loser doing what losers do best. fuck off.
>Listen to Chomsky. Listen to Zinn. Listen to
>Loewen. Ooops. You can't. They're not on 320
>corporate stations. Why's that? Three guesses.
Guess #1: Chomsky, Zinn, Loewen are irrelevant.
Guess#2: Chomsky, Zinn, Loewen have nothing interesting to say (except to themselves).
Guess #3: Advertizers won't support Chomsky, Zinn, Loewen because so few people are interested in what they have to say.
Did I get it, Nessie?
Michael
Its the same way the market place works.In fact it is impossable to ban capitalism becouse it shows up no matter how hard it is to sqush it. China tried but they went into too much debt and shifted towards joining the market place instead.Same thing with the soviets.
I'd like to see whats happens when you ban capitalism.Do you put millions out of work to work on collective farms?How do you force people to stop traiding?You claim capitalism starves people(instead of the real blaime which are dictatorships that leech of thier own people)wait till you see what happans when you shut down all the corperations!Did you know that there was a famine after the Russian revolution?Gee I wonder why since the goverment owns everthing and personal liberties have been stripped.
Hey,its a free country and when you yell anti-capitalist what not you just forc the public to take you less seriuosly.
it's amazing to me how many fail to realize that they, their lives, and needs and wants and desires and dreams, are more important than what capitalism, as a system, wants. when did it start, this mindset that people are less important than the overall production system? or are less important than always falling prices and always increasing production. because this sacrificing for the health of the system is exactly the mindset that says humans are expendable insects.
i agree that capitalism could never really be done away with. especially on a small, personal, local scale. especially the notion of working hard (at a job one chose for oneself...) and being rewarded for your work and your talent, and taking that reward and choosing to do with it as you may. that's hard to just do away with. and it been around for many, many centuries. millenia.
capitalism wasn't something america invented from scratch 400 years ago. just because we rule it in today's world doesn't mean we own its history too. that's why i have a problem with those who think a criticism of capitalism is a personal attack on america. bullshit. it isn't. capitalism is a system. it's boundaries go beyond any and all borders. it cares not where it's being practiced. wave any flag you want in its face and it won't even blink. and it's history goes back probably as far as man lived together in societies.
so if this being rewarded for hard work and talent and integrity, and taking that reward and doing anything you want with it, growing a business or buying some consumer item, if this lies closest to the nature of man, well that's all well and good. but the keywords are "nature of man". and last time i checked, "man" wasn't a sweet angel of goodness and beauty and light, o.k.?
he, man, likes to lie. man likes to exploit. he likes to work the rules so he alone benefits. man likes to cover his ass when he gets found out. man likes to make money and be rewarded without working for it. if man can destroy his competition (by playing dirty, by killing, by destroying reputations, by working the rules, by moving the goal posts...) rather than Actually Competing with his competition, he will. man likes to be greedy and count his stash of money and show it off. man likes to say fuck the rules, fuck honesty, fuck being decent, i wanna be a wealthy son of bitch, so fuck you all. this is also the nature of man.
so the problem is, what if not only the good in man gets systematized and institutionalized, but also the bad? the evil? what if fucking people over and exploiting them gets sucked up into the system and institutionalized as a business practice? then what? if all your competitors are lying, and their ads are full of bullshit, and you try to hold out and keep playing the game honestly, and you soon realize that playing honestly doesn't pay the bills and overhead anymore, then what? is lying to customers, fucking with their expectations, acceptable because it pays the bills?
in my opinion, that's the danger, the problem inherent. playing dirty is cool and acceptable because it pays the bills. because it pays the bills and sustains a 40% profit margin, well, it must be o.k. then, right? gotta do what you gotta do, right?
gotta lie a little bit at the job interview because you have to feed yourself and find shelter from the cold, at the very least. gotta do what you gotta do, right?
that's the thing about capitalism. it only asks one thing, and one thing only. the only moral question that capitalism demands of its "practicioners": Can You Cover The Costs? that's it. everything else is up to man himself and the system he lives under, the context and circumstances of his life, the pressures of the game. it's exactly the same damn money whether it's made dirty or straight. it buys the same things with the same purchasing power. drug money, or, "i worked 30 years in a factory" money. they're both equal in capitalism's eyes. but what about humanity's eyes. how come humanity's eyes always take second place to money's...
"integrity? morals? decency and respect? what are those compared to the bottom line? they're nothin. it's all about survival of the fittest. i'll play as dirty as i have to. if everyone else is playin' dirty, i gotta play just a little dirtier. and it's always so damn easy to cover my ass with marketing and p.r."
the only way those who love capitalism and want to see it flourish forever are going to do away with those who think there's alot of problems inherent in it, and those who want to see some major changes to it... the only way those who love capitalism are ever going to truly win this age-old argument hands down is if they can prove that man (and an economic system that reflects and mirrors man's nature) is a benevolent, good, and angelic thing of beauty and light.
good luck...
Hypocrits.
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Don't worry I'll take photos for you before it's
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Secondly you claim that because ants do different things then they are capitalist. Hmmm. I guess that means that everyone in Russia during the Soviet years had exactly the same job.
Third, ants are governed by a dictator (the queen) and operate in basically a communist fashion.
Fourth, capitalism and the free market are two different things. Did they not teach you the difference between the terms in school? OK, well, free market means no government involvement in the economy (i.e no corporate welfare, no rules, no assistance for business, etc). Capitalism is merely the theory that production becomes more efficient when resources (capital) are pooled or consolidated into a small group of private hands like a corporation rather than production being on a cottage industry basis, or in the hands of the government (which is not private).
Your ant analogy is called an "appeal to nature" logical flaw, which means it is not logical to assume that just because something occurs in nature it should occur in the human world. Also ants are very communistic, so if I were to believe your argument, I would have to think communism is inevitable.
they are slaves to; at least they have an excuse for their
behavior. What's the excuse for sheeple (as in the reflexive spewing of certain bleating facists whom I am entertained by baiting) not to analyze the grinder being
cranked by elite roach droppings, that we are all being fed into?
by this thing here • Monday September 16, 2002 at 10:23 PM
That wasn't a test and you know it. It was nessie's psychological evaluation. Making it public was rude, crude, and in very bad form. Fuck you very much.<
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oh how easy it is to just appropriate someone's nick isn't little boy?
you love to do it, don't you? can't help yourself right? think you're doing something real "cool" and "exciting" and "neat". you probably tell your friends about it right? try and score some points with them... "hey, hey, guys, i, i stole some dudes nickname and used it against him! i like being an impersonator dudes! give me five, dudes! i'm cool, huh guys!"
so let's review this again.
use your own goddamn name. and fuck you.
I could tell it wasn't you who wrote the comment. i enjoy reading thoughts on this board. don't let the troll(s) get under your skin (i know, easier said then done sometimes). "imps" [those who try to impersonate] are the lowest form of 'net life. maybe sf imc will set something up in the future, that will allow regulars to password protect a nick if they want to do so (and possibly still allow for unregistered passers-by to comment)